IPV6 -- where are we with this?

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by DrMatt » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:26 pm

Rob Lister wrote:I don't what to keep beating this dead IPV4 horse, but this horse ain't dead yet.

Here's my quarterly WTF.

Should I get in and buy a block of IPV6 addy's now, before they're all scooped up by AOL and Netzero?
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:09 pm

So ARS decided to update me on this.
IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment
All I want for my birthday is a new IP header.

Twenty years ago this month, RFC 1883 was published: Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification. So what's an Internet Protocol, and what's wrong with the previous five versions? And if version 6 is so great, why has it only been adopted by half a percent of the Internet's users each year over the past two decades?
http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/01 ... loyment/2/

A very nice 2-page read. Why web developers find it necessary to segment an internet article into pages, I do not know. Perhaps someone here will pontificate on the matter.

One blurb from the author was interesting ...
Of course in order for packets to be routed across the internet, a computer or other networked device first needs to be configured with an IPv6 address. It would be nice if an IP address could be burned into a device at the factory the same way an Ethernet/Wi-Fi MAC address is put in a device at the factory. But our poor routers have a hard enough time keeping track of all the IPv4 addresses in the form of half a million large blocks—they wouldn't be able to keep track of billions of individual IP addresses.
Why would a router need to keep track of any IP other than its own? The author attempts to explain ...
This is similar to how each city has its own area code so the phone companies don't (well, didn't) have to know where each individual phone number goes. Of course this means you need to get a new number when you move to a new city. Same with IP addresses: you need to get a new one when you move to a different (sub-)network.
That used to be true but isn't always true anymore. My brother in law currently lives just down the street and he has the same number he used in Los Vegas. I don't know what area code that is without looking but it isn't the local 757.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by ed » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:50 pm

NSA would like to know what machine is used by whom. Simple.
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:08 pm

ed wrote:NSA would like to know what machine is used by whom. Simple.
I'm not sure how that would be easier/harder than what we have now. As it currently stands, I don't have a lot of control over what my IP addy is. My ISP decides. I can [sometimes] get a new one by rebooting my modem but it isn't up to them. If the NSA (or anyone else) wants to track down an IP addy used for any particular purpose on any given day, they need only (or only) contact my ISP (or VPN provider) and ask, "Who is connected to X.X.X.X at time zz:zz?"

Nothing there changes with IPV6 except now they have to ask, "Who was connected to X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X at time zz:zz?"

I'm probably misunderstanding something.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:10 pm

And yet the internet hasn't collapsed. :)
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Skeeve » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:22 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:And yet the internet hasn't collapsed. :)
So, let me guess:
Companies use maybe a few IP V4's outside, and go with Network Address Translation internally?
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:30 pm

Skeeve wrote:Companies use maybe a few IP V4's outside, and go with Network Address Translation internally?
That.
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Rob Lister » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:59 pm

Major Mobile US Networks Pass 50% IPv6 Threshold
Posted on August 19, 2016 by Mat Ford

In our year-end blogpost in December of 2015 we highlighted the enormous progress that IPv6 deployment had made in 2015 by obtaining aggregated data from our sources for the four major US mobile providers:

– Verizon Wireless (AS22394)
– T-Mobile USA (AS21928)
– Sprint Wireless (AS3651)
– AT&T Wireless (AS20057)

At that time, in aggregate, these providers were delivering 37.59% of their traffic over IPv6 to major IPv6-capable content providers. We suggested then that, “2016 looks set to be the year that IPv6 becomes the dominant Internet Protocol for mobile networks in the US.”
I don't know how mobile differs from non-mobile and why they find the transition easier or more expedient.

Google tells me that 11% of folks hitting them are ipv6.
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Which in turn tells me that mobile users do not use google nearly as often as stationary users.

Whatever.

Earlier I asked
Mr. Lister wrote: Why web developers find it necessary to segment an internet article into pages, I do not know. Perhaps someone here will pontificate on the matter.
And nobody did. Fags.

I figure that breaking an article into pages
1) increases your page ranking in google
2) gives you a greater hit count
3) provides an opportunity to show you more ads
and most importantly
4) tells the publisher which writers are being read through to the end.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:44 pm

Rob Lister wrote: Earlier I asked
Mr. Lister wrote: Why web developers find it necessary to segment an internet article into pages, I do not know. Perhaps someone here will pontificate on the matter.
And nobody did. Fags.

I figure that breaking an article into pages
1) increases your page ranking in google
2) gives you a greater hit count
3) provides an opportunity to show you more ads
and most importantly
4) tells the publisher which writers are being read through to the end.
That sounds right to me. But not everybody does it. Seems like more of a thing that the crappier websites do. With a slideshow for example, images contain a lot of bytes so it makes sense to show them to you one at a time instead of all on one page.

Some websites these days will hide the lower part of the article and you have to click a button to unhide it. If you only want to read the first paragraph or so you can do it without clicking the button. I wonder if they know how far you scroll down? If an ad can only be seen by scrolling down, can they tell if it's been seen?
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Rob Lister » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:53 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:

That sounds right to me. But not everybody does it. Seems like more of a thing that the crappier websites do. With a slideshow for example, images contain a lot of bytes so it makes sense to show them to you one at a time instead of all on one page.
Delivery is the most trivial cost in the overall production. I believe it would cost many times more to pay the web developer to create the slide show then just pushing all the photos at once. But even if not, HTML5 knows when you scroll and can push content as you scroll down.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:08 pm

Oh, yeah. I've noticed that on a lot of new websites if you keep scrolling down they will just show you another article, and another after that and so on. I think the URL in your search bar might even change.
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 22, 2018 3:26 pm

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Rob Lister » Tue May 22, 2018 4:52 pm

Wrong synopsis. Meh, fits better.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 22, 2018 5:03 pm

My synopsis, not theirs. :BigGrin3:
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