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IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:43 pm

The internet is abuzz with stories that we've finally exhausted our supply of IPV4 address space. Sensational Stories like...

Internet Runs Out of Spare Room This Week
http://www.newser.com/story/111014/inte ... -week.html

End of an era as Internet addresses run out
http://www.techcentral.co.za/end-of-an- ... out/20699/

Internet Body May Use up IPv4 Addresses This Week
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a ... _week.html

Of course, the truth is a bit more mundane, but I suspect more than a few smaller ISP's are a bit concerned, what with not having enough in reserve to handle new or growing customers.

I suspect that if the IANA were to pull back all the addresses that have been allocated but not put into service, we'd be ok for another decade. But I really don't know jack about it...so there.

So what is the hold-up with IPV6? I can't really get a sense of what the issues are because none of the simple-minded news and mag articles I read explain it in the dunce terms I need.

Anyone here want to give it a shot?

P.S. I've decided to horde my 192.168.x.x address space. don't even ask to borrow any. :D

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby DrMatt » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:57 pm

The background is that the original address space seemed huge, originally, but nobody reckoned with exponential explosion--everything from network printers to cell phones on the Internet.

The lowdown is that in IPv6, addresses are 4 times as long as in IPV4. While, in theory, this means the number of addresses available has gone up astronomically, the intended purpose is to efficiently implement features like multicasting and mobile applications. A built-in security level is included.

Current systems handle both kinds of networking automatically. There are standard clever tricks widely implemented to ease the transition so end users don't need to worry about it.

On NPR today a guy opined that every invention that humans have ever used before has somebody currently making and using it today. I thought of flash-in-the-pan PC's from the late '70s, but didn't look any up. The point was that carbon paper, flint tools, and obsolete farming equipment are all still manufactured, and let's not talk about 8-track.

So I wouldn't worry about this. Somewhere, someone is running the Banyan Vines NetOS over coaxial cable.
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby specious_reasons » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:42 pm

DrMatt wrote:On NPR today a guy opined that every invention that humans have ever used before has somebody currently making and using it today. I thought of flash-in-the-pan PC's from the late '70s, but didn't look any up. The point was that carbon paper, flint tools, and obsolete farming equipment are all still manufactured, and let's not talk about 8-track.


I was skeptical of his claim, but you'd probably find an 8-track manufacturer somewhere. I would release most skepticism if the guy said any useful invention is still being manufactured today.

IPV6? I should know, but I haven't researched it. If you have a modern computer and/or a modern router on your network, it's probably not a big concern.
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Mentat » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:11 am

Rob Lister wrote:The internet is abuzz with stories that we've finally exhausted our supply of IPV4 address space. Sensational Stories like...
Of course, the truth is a bit more mundane, but I suspect more than a few smaller ISP's are a bit concerned, what with not having enough in reserve to handle new or growing customers.


I'm sure they all are, although a band-aide solution they're predicted to use is more NAT for everybody. Actually, IIRC NAT will be needed in the major transferring of IPv4 and IPv6.

I suspect that if the IANA were to pull back all the addresses that have been allocated but not put into service, we'd be ok for another decade. But I really don't know jack about it...so there.


(puts aside that okay != having spare addresses, addresses are like oil, there is no last drip you run out of) Try a few years, max, barring that pulling back addresses is infeasible. Demand for IP addresses grows exponentially. Some reserves will deplete slowly, and if you somehow magically (and yes, from a technical standpoint, it would take nothing short of magic) reorder all available addresses, they'd be more available to faster consumers. ie they'd deplete even faster than before. But that won't happen because you just can't do that.


So what is the hold-up with IPV6? I can't really get a sense of what the issues are because none of the simple-minded news and mag articles I read explain it in the dunce terms I need.


Multiple reasons. Tons of old software written only to use IPv4. Old legacy hardware (think businesses, not individual consumers). Very little incentive (why should *I* offer my services using IPv6 if most people can't/won't connect to it anyways?). And the late prevalent attitude of "running low of addresses is all media hype."
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby gnome » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:28 pm

Mentat wrote:(puts aside that okay != having spare addresses, addresses are like oil, there is no last drip you run out of) Try a few years, max, barring that pulling back addresses is infeasible. Demand for IP addresses grows exponentially. Some reserves will deplete slowly, and if you somehow magically (and yes, from a technical standpoint, it would take nothing short of magic) reorder all available addresses, they'd be more available to faster consumers. ie they'd deplete even faster than before. But that won't happen because you just can't do that.


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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:48 pm

gnome wrote:
Mentat wrote:(puts aside that okay != having spare addresses, addresses are like oil, there is no last drip you run out of) Try a few years, max, barring that pulling back addresses is infeasible. Demand for IP addresses grows exponentially. Some reserves will deplete slowly, and if you somehow magically (and yes, from a technical standpoint, it would take nothing short of magic) reorder all available addresses, they'd be more available to faster consumers. ie they'd deplete even faster than before. But that won't happen because you just can't do that.


Peak IP?


I was just waiting for someone [else] to say it.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:09 pm

and so the hording begins, with microsoft, of course.

IPv4 address transfers must meet policy, ARIN chief says

Computerworld - The chief executive of the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) said today that any transfer of IPv4 addresses from one organization to another will need to be compliant with established ARIN policy.

Address transfers that do not adhere to policy, or those that have not been approved by ARIN can be revoked and the addresses assigned to other parties, CEO John Curran said.

Curran was responding to Computerworld's questions regarding Microsoft's plan to purchase a block of more than 666,000 IPv4 addresses from Nortel, for $7.5 million.
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Under current policy, if a company is acquired by another, all of its IP addresses automatically transfer to the acquiring entity. ARIN policy also allows one party to return its IPv4 addresses to ARIN or to designate them to a third-party, Curran said.

Companies that are allocating their address to a third party can ask for compensation if they want to, he said. However, the acquiring party is required to show an immediate and appropriate need for the addresses, he said.

"We are in the final stage of depletion of IPv4," Curran said. "If you request address space from ARIN we will look at the immediate need for three months and issue address space to cover that period."




Leaves me wondering how Nortel was able to have/keep the 600k addresses in the first place. That's tiny fraction of the address space sitting idle in the junk-draws of the majors though.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby ed » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:08 pm

Rob Lister wrote:The internet is abuzz with stories that we've finally exhausted our supply of IPV4 address space. Sensational Stories like...

Internet Runs Out of Spare Room This Week
http://www.newser.com/story/111014/inte ... -week.html

End of an era as Internet addresses run out
http://www.techcentral.co.za/end-of-an- ... out/20699/

Internet Body May Use up IPv4 Addresses This Week
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/a ... _week.html

Of course, the truth is a bit more mundane, but I suspect more than a few smaller ISP's are a bit concerned, what with not having enough in reserve to handle new or growing customers.

I suspect that if the IANA were to pull back all the addresses that have been allocated but not put into service, we'd be ok for another decade. But I really don't know jack about it...so there.

So what is the hold-up with IPV6? I can't really get a sense of what the issues are because none of the simple-minded news and mag articles I read explain it in the dunce terms I need.

Anyone here want to give it a shot?

P.S. I've decided to horde my 192.168.x.x address space. don't even ask to borrow any. :D


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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:23 am

(Newser) – Scientific American posing a jarring question as headline today: "Will the Internet Stop on June 8?" And the answer is: Er, no. But the Internet will start to grow up a little. Tomorrow is World IPv6 Day, when Google, Facebook, YouTube, and other giants will conduct a 24-hour test of a new Internet Protocol address system. As SA explains, the current IP address system (IPv4) allows for 32-digit binary numbers. When it became the standard in 1977, the 4.3 billion addresses possible seemed way more than the world would ever need. Now they're just about gone.

The IPv6 format has 128 digits, and big Internet and web companies have been acquiring the longer addresses in recent years. Tomorrow is the first big test of their use, one that should help point to any potential glitches when a full changeover takes place to the new protocol. "If everything goes according to plan, you won’t notice a thing," writes Frances Robinson at the Wall Street Journal.


But I want to notice. I want it to be more sparkly or something. Ponies appearing in the digital mist.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby DrMatt » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:30 pm

Rob Lister wrote:But I want to notice. I want it to be more sparkly or something. Ponies appearing in the digital mist.


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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:39 pm

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Rob Lister wrote:But I want to notice. I want it to be more sparkly or something. Ponies appearing in the digital mist.


Takeidar has detected Takeiness in your posting.


pffft. Kirkish, if anything.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby sparks » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:37 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA..............both of those are sooooooo thieved.
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:04 pm

This post is my annual update to the query

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby DrMatt » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:12 pm

As far as I know, it's become a mixed hack like the old wired phone system. LANs are all IP4; WANs are mostly IP6; and there's brisk business to be done in mixed-mode routers.
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:17 pm

what the fuck! I'm still 198'ing.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:17 pm

Relax. :p
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Relax. :p


I shan't!

two years ago 'they' were saying the world was going to fucking end because ipv4.

surely we're dead.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Relax. :p


I shan't!

two years ago 'they' were saying the world was going to fucking end because ipv4.

surely we're dead.


They lied as usual.

Worry about climate change instead. :)
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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby DrMatt » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:41 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Relax. :p


I shan't!

two years ago 'they' were saying the world was going to fucking end because ipv4.

surely we're dead.

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Re: IPV6 -- where are we with this?

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:21 pm

I don't what to keep beating this dead IPV4 horse, but this horse ain't dead yet.

Here's my quarterly WTF.

Should I get in and buy a block of IPV6 addy's now, before they're all scooped up by AOL and Netzero?


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