RCC: Act II wrote: xouper wrote: RCC: Act II wrote:
xouper wrote:2. Fake news media is indeed the enemy of the people.
Maybe you aren't quite grasping the bigger issue with that statement.
(hint: the enemy of the people part)
I'm willing to consider that I might need to revise my position, if you can explain why I should.
Can we have a reasonable conversation about that without all the insults?
About "enemy of the people?"
You are literally defending a President that is declaring the press the enemy of the people, and even agreeing with him.
This is basic totalitarian stuff.It goes far beyond criticism of a specific report or a specific outlet. Denigrating the free press is a necessary step towards despotism. It puts everything in darkness. We aren't talking about opinion pieces here. Simple, show up to something and report what you see journalism is being attacked.
That is factually incorrect.
You have falsely characterized what Trump has done. And made flawed logical inferences based on that.
Furthermore, the people do not need Trump's bigly mouth to see that there is more and more dishonesty and fake news in the media. We can see it for ourselves, and this is reflected in the polls about the public's perception of the media.
No one is claiming that standard journalism is the enemy of the people. The claim is about the dishonesty and the fake news, which comprise only a portion of the press.
Example: When Time
magazine publishes a fake cover image and a fake story to go with it about an immigrant child being separated from her parents, when the New York Times
(and the Washington Post
, CNN, and MSNBC, etc) publishes provably false stories, and does so repeatedly week after week, that is indeed a problem. And the people, including the President, are entitled under the First Amendment to call it out.
That is what is being attacked, not the "show up to something and report what you see journalism" as you falsely claim.
Furthermore, the subset of the press called "fake news media" is doing this to themselves, and is not a result of anything Trump has said. Trump is merely repeating what most people already know.
Your insinuation that this leads to despotism is the fallacy of the slippery slope.
To use your own words: "If you can't see that, it can't be helped. That's the reasonable conversation."
We seem to have reached an impasse. You have expressed your subjective interpretations and opinions as filtered through your own personal biases and prejudices, and I have expressed mine. Perhaps we should just let it go at that.