Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by WildCat » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:42 am

RCC: Act II wrote:
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RCC: Act II wrote:What were these exactly?
Real issues, not imaginary ones like rage over high school boys who identify as girls not being allowed to shower with high school girls in the high school locker room.
Again, what issues were they? What were those in the civil rights movement agitating for exactly?
The end of institutionalized racism. There is no institutionalized racism today.
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:42 am

WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:
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RCC: Act II wrote:No need for one. Demographics will put the current opposition in power sooner or later. The danger lies in just how far some people are willing to go to prevent it.
You are a racist of the worst sort if you assume race and ethnicity determine political views. Seriously what the fucking fuck? That's what Hitler thought.
Demographics are descriptive, you idiot. They describe, not cause.

When those descriptive trends show a pattern, people do this math stuff and can start to predict human behavior based on a myriad of factors.

If guessing that pandering to white supremacists will be less viable when white people eventually become a minority is racism, then, ok I guess. Maybe enough people of color will buy into white nationalism because reasons and that won't be the case. I'm gonna doubt it.
There's like 20,000 white nationalists in the entire country. They're completely irrelevant politically.

I almost forgot you're one of those lunatics who sees Nazis everywhere.
How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:51 am

WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:What were these exactly?
Real issues, not imaginary ones like rage over high school boys who identify as girls not being allowed to shower with high school girls in the high school locker room.
Again, what issues were they? What were those in the civil rights movement agitating for exactly?
The end of institutionalized racism. There is no institutionalized racism today.
You think John Lewis agrees with that? He was sort of there. He's here now.

Of course, he's still alive, so his message is harder to distort and neuter.

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by WildCat » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:52 am

RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:01 am

WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?

You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if the majority language in the US were to become spanish?

Or for that matter, if white people were a small minority.

Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

This sort of thing bother you?

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:05 am

RCC: Act II wrote: ... Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

This sort of thing bother you?
If it were Buddhism I could deal with it. :MuhammadBoom:
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by ed » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:17 am

RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?

You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if the majority language in the US were to become spanish?
A reality is a reality and what is the point in complaining. The real issue, which you glide over, is what would happen during the process of such an event occurring? I submit it would rip apart our schools and create funding nightmares. The social issues would also serve to fracture our society. Unless one could provide evidence that there is some net good (making people not be butthurt is not a reason) I would look to make English the official language.
Or for that matter, if white people were a small minority.
A reality is a reality and what is the point in complaining. The real issue, which you glide over, is why this would happen. I reject using immigration to create a "diverse society". The purpose of immigration is to benefit the citizens of the country. The cynical approach taken by the democrats is, frankly, moral treason, to use Teddy Roosevelt's term and should be resisted with vigor, to use JFK's term.

Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

meh. The robes are conveniently flammable, as they demonstrated in another time and another place.
This sort of thing bother you?
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by WildCat » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:48 am

RCC: Act II wrote:This sort of thing bother you?
The only thing that bothers me is the threat of our country losing its cultural identity as a liberal democracy (in the classic definition) with a capitalist economy and become yet another failed socialist state. Immigrants to our country should share those ideals, which the Democratic Party used to share just 15-20 years ago.

If you want to live in another culture then perhaps you should consider moving to Guatemala or Venezuela or China or whatever country suits your political ideology.
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Giz » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:19 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?

You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if the majority language in the US were to become spanish?

Or for that matter, if white people were a small minority.

Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

This sort of thing bother you?
If a potentially massive change in your nation’s culture worries you, you must be racist!

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:34 pm

Giz wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?

You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if the majority language in the US were to become spanish?

Or for that matter, if white people were a small minority.

Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

This sort of thing bother you?
If a potentially massive change in your nation’s culture worries you, you must be racist!
If you think of the US in terms of a distinct cultural identity rather than people of various cultures united by a set of principles, then yes.

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Giz » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:28 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
Giz wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?

You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if the majority language in the US were to become spanish?

Or for that matter, if white people were a small minority.

Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

This sort of thing bother you?
If a potentially massive change in your nation’s culture worries you, you must be racist!
If you think of the US in terms of a distinct cultural identity rather than people of various cultures united by a set of principles, then yes.
I include such things as respect for the US constitution (i.e. "principles") when I say "culture ".

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:35 pm

Giz wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:
Giz wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?

You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if the majority language in the US were to become spanish?

Or for that matter, if white people were a small minority.

Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

This sort of thing bother you?
If a potentially massive change in your nation’s culture worries you, you must be racist!
If you think of the US in terms of a distinct cultural identity rather than people of various cultures united by a set of principles, then yes.
I include such things as respect for the US constitution (i.e. "principles") when I say "culture ".
So, why would that massively change under the circumstances I mention?

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Giz » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:41 pm

Because when the people change, you can't blindly assume the culture remains the same .

You couldn't just swap Donald Trump for putin and expect everything to keep going as it is. ... wait, maybe a different example ...

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by ed » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:51 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
Giz wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:
WildCat wrote:
RCC: Act II wrote:How do you feel about the prospect of Spanish becoming the majority language in the US? Just curious.
You think all Hispanics speak Spanish? A minority of them do.

Holy fuck you sure like to pigeonhole people based on race and ethnicity... what's the word for people who do that again?

You didn't answer the question. How would you feel if the majority language in the US were to become spanish?

Or for that matter, if white people were a small minority.

Maybe even Buddhism becoming the dominant religion.

This sort of thing bother you?
If a potentially massive change in your nation’s culture worries you, you must be racist!
If you think of the US in terms of a distinct cultural identity rather than people of various cultures united by a set of principles, then yes.
I think of american culture as being akin to offspring of parents of different races. There comes, over generations sorta a weighted average and new additions have a far smaller impact. So yeah, there is an american culture that, while changeable, is highly inertial, like the constitution. If it was in danger of radically changing I would be absolutely against it.

The only way that could occur is with the advent of open borders which is an elementally stupid and misguided notion.
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by gnome » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:28 pm

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It wasn't intended to speak to the appropriateness of the consequences, nor was it intended to help evaluate the choice of penalty or process of justice.
Then people should quit bringing it up when there's a conversation about how harmful our current methods have been.
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Grammatron » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:32 pm

WildCat wrote: If you want to live in another culture then perhaps you should consider moving to Guatemala or Venezuela or China or whatever country suits your political ideology.
I would not agree with that philosophy. USA is large enough where you can have a hippie commune, sprawling for hundreds of acres yet also have Wall Street. If they operate within the system of laws and legislatures that we have set up then let them do whatever. Remember, there's nothing in the constitution that prevents people from lobbying against its very demise.

IMO the trouble starts when a group decides their ideals/philosophy/politics is more import than the system and the legislative process and try using anarchy and revolution to achiever their goals.

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

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Grammatron wrote:
WildCat wrote: If you want to live in another culture then perhaps you should consider moving to Guatemala or Venezuela or China or whatever country suits your political ideology.
I would not agree with that philosophy. USA is large enough where you can have a hippie commune, sprawling for hundreds of acres yet also have Wall Street. If they operate within the system of laws and legislatures that we have set up then let them do whatever. Remember, there's nothing in the constitution that prevents people from lobbying against its very demise.

IMO the trouble starts when a group decides their ideals/philosophy/politics is more import than the system and the legislative process and try using anarchy and revolution to achiever their goals.

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If they operate within the system of laws and legislatures that we have set up then let them do whatever.
Would this be consistent with sharia law? C hanging our law to accommodate an alternative system is what I would consider to be a change in culture that is unacceptable.
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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Grammatron » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:52 pm

ed wrote:
Grammatron wrote: If they operate within the system of laws and legislatures that we have set up then let them do whatever.
Would this be consistent with sharia law? C hanging our law to accommodate an alternative system is what I would consider to be a change in culture that is unacceptable.
If it's all civil contract then it would be no different than what Jews and Mormons (two examples off the top of my head) do already. If a state wants to add it to their laws through proper legislature and it's not unconstitutional then sure. If a group of states want to amend the constitution then sure, why not?

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Giz » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:02 pm

Grammatron wrote: If a group of states want to amend the constitution then sure, why not?
Because there are two different principles:

1 - Constitutional amendments should follow due process

2 - Proposed amendments should be evaluated on both moral and practical grounds

Amendments to change the constitution to enable sharia, or re-legalize slavery etc, may be able to pass (1) but would fail (2).

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Re: Remember the FEMA camps conspiracy theories?

Post by Grammatron » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:16 pm

Giz wrote:
Grammatron wrote: If a group of states want to amend the constitution then sure, why not?
Because there are two different principles:

1 - Constitutional amendments should follow due process

2 - Proposed amendments should be evaluated on both moral and practical grounds

Amendments to change the constitution to enable sharia, or re-legalize slavery etc, may be able to pass (1) but would fail (2).
Maybe, maybe not. You're asking me to imagine a hypothetical situation where there is enough population and a government that wants to implement it. That society is drastically different from our current one. But so is America in 1800's so who knows, it may come to pass one day, I don't know because I can't predict the future.

If people want to campaign on this, they are welcome to it, but they should not be shocked when they fail.