Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by ed » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:56 pm

Skeeve wrote:
ed wrote:Sequester the fucking jury and shut up.

Jesus, it's not like they don't have the means to keep the jury clean.
:lol:

Come on ed, that makes WAY too much sense...
however, for all we know there is some cultural thing that prevents it.
Maybe AC could comment on that.

AC, Is there some law or convention that would prevent Jury sequestering in the UK?
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:46 am

WildCat wrote:Absolutely massive protest yesterday, tens of thousands marched from Trafalgar Square to demand Robinson's freedom.



This surely finally got the attention of the BBC, right? Nope, just a 6-sentence story:
Five police officers were injured as a demonstration in London in support of jailed ex-English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson turned violent.

Riot officers were deployed as hundreds of protesters blocked the roads around Trafalgar Square.

Five arrests were later made after Robinson supporters took over a sightseeing bus, and missiles and smoke bombs were thrown.

Robinson, 35, was jailed for contempt of court last month.

Appearing at Leeds Crown Court under his real name of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, he was sentenced to 13 months on 29 May after broadcasting on social media about an ongoing trial at the court.

A judge told Robinson, from Bedfordshire, his actions could cause the trial to be re-run, costing "hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds".
"hundreds" of protesters???? Really?

Meanwhile a similar-size march today commemorating 100 years of women's suffrage generated a much larger story: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44427627

Even a story about a fucking monkey escaping from the zoo in Belfast generated more "ink" on the BBC site!

Is there any doubt the British government and their official news media wants this story to go away? It's disgusting.
Well, this publication may have been a bit more accurate: THOUSANDS ATTEND ‘FREE TOMMY ROBINSON’ RALLY
Protesters took to the streets of London on Saturday in support of an activist who was jailed for reporting on a case that involved four Muslim men accused of grooming and raping a teenage girl.

The actual number of demonstrators is unknown, some media outlets, which don’t appear to give favorable coverage of the protest, say the number is in the hundreds, while others say its in the thousands — video footage indicates the latter.
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Robinson supporters worry that due to the high number of Muslims in prison and Robinson’s reputation his life is at stake.
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Thousands of people peacefully protested what they considered an unjust arrest, at the most recent “Free Tommy Robinson” protest Saturday. A counter protest of left-wing activists accused the demonstrators of being “Nazi scum” and “fascists.” Some of them held signs that said “Fry Tommy.”
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by WildCat » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:35 am

We have to eradicate free speech to fight racism!
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:40 am

WildCat wrote:We have to eradicate free speech to fight racism!
The idiots who do this are only going to make it worse...for themselves. Evidences:
New populist government in Italy is a test for the European Union

The Austrian elections should terrify Europeans
And let the EU take note: The new Austrian government is NOT coddling ISLAM...
Austria is closing 7 mosques and kicking out 60 imams
... “Political Islam’s parallel societies and radicalizing tendencies have no place in our country,” said Kurz at a press conference.
Meanwhile from a non-lame-stream media source: Protests Seek Release of UK “Political Prisoner” Tommy Robinson
Growing demonstrations in the United Kingdom and beyond are seeking the release of British activist and journalist Tommy Robinson...
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On June 9, many thousands of activists — organizers said about 20,000 showed up — descended on London's historic Trafalgar Square to protest the ongoing incarceration of high-profile activist and journalist Robinson. The rally, which attracted support from diverse political leaders and lawmakers from across Europe, featured a seemingly endless sea of flags and hand-made signs. Many read #FreeTommy. Others focused on defending free speech, freedom of the press, and other liberties that have come to define Western civilization but which are increasingly under threat — especially in the increasingly Orwellian United Kingdom. Minor violence broke out at the march, with protesters blaming police while authorities blamed demonstrators.
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Despite efforts by the media to portray the latest rallies as “far-right” or “right-wing” — some especially dishonest voices tried to paint it as a “white nationalist” or “alt-right” event — photos across social media show that people of all races and colors were there in defense of free speech. The MC was a British-born child of Muslim immigrants from Tanzania. In Belfast, Protestants and Catholics reportedly joined forces to demand Robinson's release. There were one or two people at the rally who were observed giving a National Socialist (Nazi) salute, but organizers suggested they were likely agents provocateurs from the hard-left meant to help the media demonize protesters. Organizers and participants publicly and loudly condemned any violence or hate from any side.
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by ed » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:57 am

Witness wrote:Form standuptoracism.org:
http://www.standuptoracism.org.uk/

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:14 pm

ed wrote:
Witness wrote:Form standuptoracism.org:
http://www.standuptoracism.org.uk/

Everyone was kung fu fighting and giving the Hitler salute(tm)
ed, you just gotta LOVE that....

From: NAZI SALUTES AND VIOLENCE MARK FAR RIGHT ‘FREE TOMMY ROBINSON’ DEMO
Saturday’s pro Tommy Robinson demonstration in London saw around 15,000 far right activists take to the streets.
VIOLENT RACISTS DRAW 15,000 IN LONDON TO SUPPORT TOMMY ROBINSON AND SCAPEGOAT MUSLIMS

Thank you for agreeing with other non-lame stream accounts of the size of the protest.... forget about "hundreds." that was Fake News.


Given that most of the folks I saw in the crowd looked like regular guys blokes,
who (I assume) would usually be at a pub enjoying a pint, or out with friends at a game,
this level of demonstration should make a few in power in the UK a bit nervous....
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:35 pm

This seems to be a "bloke on the street" Point of View...its not too long.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by asthmatic camel » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:09 am

My final word on this...

We have an ancient tradition here of trial by jury, not trial by media or mob. It may well be that the defendants in these cases are guilty but, until this is proven, they are innocent. Twats like "Tommy Robinson" screaming "Muslim Paedophiles!" while the case is being tried only serve to incite racial hatred and prejudice. I hope but doubt that he'll serve the entire thirteen months of the sentence he was given for contempt of court.

And a comment from the secret barrister. here.

Worth a read if you've not had enough already..
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by ed » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:42 am

asthmatic camel wrote:My final word on this...

We have an ancient tradition here of trial by jury, not trial by media or mob. It may well be that the defendants in these cases are guilty but, until this is proven, they are innocent. Twats like "Tommy Robinson" screaming "Muslim Paedophiles!" while the case is being tried only serve to incite racial hatred and prejudice. I hope but doubt that he'll serve the entire thirteen months of the sentence he was given for contempt of court.

And a comment from the secret barrister. here.

Worth a read if you've not had enough already..
Read the thing. Frankly, it came across as a superior, pat on the head now run along, sactimonious outpouring of support for a series of behaviors on the part of the powers that be that are questionable, to my biased eye.

I can imagine an upper class brit of the 19th century explaining, with pained patience, how the fuzzies really desire a firm had in their administration. This bit
his racists-in-arms across the pond.
The writer can soundly go fuck himself.

All he is doing is explaining how shitty laws were applied to a lower class white guy.

My position is that whenever a governments' actions are hidden, for whatever purpose whatsoever, citizens should get up on their hind legs and howl. In the current case, if the fear of the jury being tainted was so great, they should have been sequestered. They didn't do that and that is a data point. Then the citizenry (yeah, even racists have speech rights though I reject any charges of "racism" out of hand with out a great deal of support) can demonstrate to their hearts content.

AND, you look like a homo version of LBJ in that goddamn hat :x
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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by gnome » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:42 pm

Those hats are completely different. AC's has a flat brim and possibly a Montana crease, and LBJ is wearing a curved-brim Stetson.
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Which obviously begs the question of AC's fagness.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:45 pm

asthmatic camel wrote:And I bought a new hat.

So fuck you.

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ed wrote:Which obviously begs the question of AC's fagness.

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Post by WildCat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:23 pm

asthmatic camel wrote:My final word on this...

We have an ancient tradition here of trial by jury, not trial by media or mob. It may well be that the defendants in these cases are guilty but, until this is proven, they are innocent. Twats like "Tommy Robinson" screaming "Muslim Paedophiles!" while the case is being tried only serve to incite racial hatred and prejudice. I hope but doubt that he'll serve the entire thirteen months of the sentence he was given for contempt of court.

And a comment from the secret barrister. here.

Worth a read if you've not had enough already..
Why didn't this "ancient tradition" apply to Count Dankula? Or any other high-profile trial where there were mobs of media covering it?
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Post by Giz » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:28 pm

asthmatic camel wrote:My final word on this...

We have an ancient tradition here of trial by jury, not trial by media or mob. It may well be that the defendants in these cases are guilty but, until this is proven, they are innocent. Twats like "Tommy Robinson" screaming "Muslim Paedophiles!" while the case is being tried only serve to incite racial hatred and prejudice. I hope but doubt that he'll serve the entire thirteen months of the sentence he was given for contempt of court.

And a comment from the secret barrister. here.

Worth a read if you've not had enough already..
I love this bit of “the secret barristers” explanation:

“As for the suggestion (by UKIP among others) that nobody has ever before been found in contempt of court and a postponement order made preventing the media from immediately reporting it, a handy example can be found on 22 May 2017, where one Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was found to be in contempt at Canterbury”

So, the example of how this persecution/fit-up is not unprecedented, is that they’ve done it to the same bloke before!

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:36 pm

Not really on topic, and not even about the UK, but somehow this oped in The New York Times seems relevant.

The German Feminists’ Dilemma
By Anna Sauerbrey
Ms. Sauerbrey is an editor at the newspaper Der Tagesspiegel.
...

The cases {unequivocal nasty ones previously noted in the article} have added fuel to the far right’s fiery anti-immigrant rhetoric. And it has created a dilemma for Germany’s liberal feminists: How can they fight against violence without supporting anti-immigrant resentments? Or to put it even more bluntly: Is it even possible to defend pluralism and women’s rights at the same time in Germany today?

Violence against women committed by immigrant men first became a topic of debate after hundreds of women were sexually harassed and abused by groups of young men, most of whom were immigrants from North African countries, at Cologne’s main train station on New Year’s Eve in 2015. Since then there has been a steady drumbeat of stories, ranging from harassment in the streets to rape and murder, across Germany.

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Re: Tommy Robinson & UK 'grooming gangs.'

Post by Skeeve » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:17 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Not really on topic, and not even about the UK, but somehow this oped in The New York Times seems relevant.

The German Feminists’ Dilemma
By Anna Sauerbrey
Ms. Sauerbrey is an editor at the newspaper Der Tagesspiegel.
...

The cases {unequivocal nasty ones previously noted in the article} have added fuel to the far right’s fiery anti-immigrant rhetoric. And it has created a dilemma for Germany’s liberal feminists: How can they fight against violence without supporting anti-immigrant resentments? Or to put it even more bluntly: Is it even possible to defend pluralism and women’s rights at the same time in Germany today?
Fuck em!
They brought this upon themselves...
Violence against women committed by immigrant men first became a topic of debate after hundreds of women were sexually harassed and abused by groups of young men, most of whom were immigrants from North African countries, at Cologne’s main train station on New Year’s Eve in 2015. Since then there has been a steady drumbeat of stories, ranging from harassment in the streets to rape and murder, across Germany.
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At least they don't seem to be grooming German children (as far as we know)....
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