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Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by Rob Lister » Thu May 10, 2018 3:33 pm

Apple scraps $1 billion Irish data center over planning delays

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Apple ditched plans to build an 850 million euro ($1 billion) data center in Ireland because of delays in the approval process that have stalled the project for more than three years, the iPhone maker said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-appl ... SKBN1IB0XT

The article does not elaborate on what precipitated the appeals. I suspect 1) environmentalists or 2) some form of economic socialists. Maybe some other here will discover a more true 3).

So what did the appealing antagonists win?
“While disappointing, this setback will not dampen our enthusiasm for future projects in Ireland as our business continues to grow,” the company said, citing plans to expand its European headquarters in County Cork where it employs over 6,000 people.
Which I interpret as
“Oh you fucking drunken micks. You are so fucking fucked for fucking with us. We are never again going to create another fucking dollar for you drunk fucking fuck-fucks. And furthermore we are going to very slowly close every business in County Cork where it employs over 6,000 people.
To be fair, a data center creates very few jobs. But neither do they cause any issue other than a small plot of land. The upside is fairly good tax revenue for the locale. Iceland is looking good for them.

Ireland said
“The Government did everything it could to support this investment... These delays have, if nothing else, underlined our need to make the State’s planning and legal processes more efficient.”
Dudes, ya think? If they had even published a muse that they were considering my town of Virginia Beach, it would have been all like
Data Center? Here? Oh, well, we happen to have about 30 acres adjacent to a 20 acre cooling pond that just happens to be less than a mile from the newly completed state of the art fiber optic transatlantic data cable.

We took the liberty to level and raise that land making it ready for construction ... yesterday. And as it happens we are just now completing an off-ramp from I264 and a four lane access to that lot.

And don't you worry your little heads about taxes; those are all taken care of for the next decade. We would only ask, beg really, that you allow us do all the paving, landscaping and grounds maintenance for the next ... say twenty years or so?

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by gnome » Thu May 10, 2018 10:15 pm

I'm not sure what environmentalists would have been on about--the rage these days is green data centers, and Apple was apparently planning to do it that way. Then again maybe opinions differ on what counts as "green".
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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu May 10, 2018 10:49 pm

Maybe it's "Apple is evil" rather than something wrong with the data center as such.

For example that slave labor in China thing.
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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by ed » Fri May 11, 2018 11:00 am

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by Rob Lister » Fri May 11, 2018 11:28 am

gnome wrote:I'm not sure what environmentalists would have been on about--the rage these days is green data centers, and Apple was apparently planning to do it that way. Then again maybe opinions differ on what counts as "green".
I had to dig but
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/15/apple-da ... r-ireland/
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/02/apple-ir ... ter-delay/
Yep, environmentalists.

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by ed » Fri May 11, 2018 11:44 am

Rob Lister wrote:
gnome wrote:I'm not sure what environmentalists would have been on about--the rage these days is green data centers, and Apple was apparently planning to do it that way. Then again maybe opinions differ on what counts as "green".
I had to dig but
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/15/apple-da ... r-ireland/
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/02/apple-ir ... ter-delay/
Yep, environmentalists.
Herewith the correct responses

I Location: The board specifically wants Apple to provide more detail about why it has chosen to build the data centre in a forest near the small town of Athenry over other locations around Ireland.
Whats the difference? You don't like it? Fine. Fuck you.
Renewables: Apple has stated that it wants to use 100% renewable energy to power the data centre but the board claims “no site or project specific information regarding renewable energy projects is provided and details of how they might be connected to the proposed development is required.”
None of your business. The "how" is irrelevant.
Environmental impact: Apple covered the expected environmental impact of the data center itself, but not the electricity substation that would be needed. The impact statement also covers only the first of what Apple hopes will be just the first of eight data halls at the site. Finally, it wants Apple to consider the revised impact should direct solar power prove inadequate (a reference to Ireland’s weather, perhaps …).
Our problem, not yours
Protected species: An Bord Pleanála wants Apple and Arup to provide the results of the ecological surveys it carried out (specifically those relating to bats) as well as details on any further surveys it plans to carry out.
You are kidding, right?
Geology: Apple and Arup have also been asked for more information about the geology of the site they want to build on. (Likely to ensure no unexpected long-term environmental impact.)
Unexpected means just that, morons.

And why is Apple not building in the US?
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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by sparks » Fri May 11, 2018 4:36 pm

'Cause then the tax money would have to stay here instead of offshore, where it could do the most good ... you see. :roll:
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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by Witness » Fri May 11, 2018 5:24 pm

ed wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:
gnome wrote:I'm not sure what environmentalists would have been on about--the rage these days is green data centers, and Apple was apparently planning to do it that way. Then again maybe opinions differ on what counts as "green".
I had to dig but
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/15/apple-da ... r-ireland/
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/02/apple-ir ... ter-delay/
Yep, environmentalists.
Herewith the correct responses

I Location: The board specifically wants Apple to provide more detail about why it has chosen to build the data centre in a forest near the small town of Athenry over other locations around Ireland.
Whats the difference? You don't like it? Fine. Fuck you.
Renewables: Apple has stated that it wants to use 100% renewable energy to power the data centre but the board claims “no site or project specific information regarding renewable energy projects is provided and details of how they might be connected to the proposed development is required.”
None of your business. The "how" is irrelevant.
Environmental impact: Apple covered the expected environmental impact of the data center itself, but not the electricity substation that would be needed. The impact statement also covers only the first of what Apple hopes will be just the first of eight data halls at the site. Finally, it wants Apple to consider the revised impact should direct solar power prove inadequate (a reference to Ireland’s weather, perhaps …).
Our problem, not yours
Protected species: An Bord Pleanála wants Apple and Arup to provide the results of the ecological surveys it carried out (specifically those relating to bats) as well as details on any further surveys it plans to carry out.
You are kidding, right?
Geology: Apple and Arup have also been asked for more information about the geology of the site they want to build on. (Likely to ensure no unexpected long-term environmental impact.)
Unexpected means just that, morons.

And why is Apple not building in the US?
Weeeeelll… to my ears that sounds very much like "let the multinationals do what they want, they know best."

At least we'd get rid of politicians. There's that. :P

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by Rob Lister » Fri May 11, 2018 5:32 pm

I think it boils down to this: Apple wants to build a very, very energy intensive building that is 1.8 million square feet that will not create more than 30 or so jobs right in the middle of their drunk forest.

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by Grammatron » Fri May 11, 2018 5:33 pm

ed wrote: And why is Apple not building in the US?
Because latency exists and it matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_( ... on_latency

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by Rob Lister » Sat May 12, 2018 12:00 am

So the story goes that they had a shortage of judges to hear the cases which is what caused the delays.

Seems very passive aggressive but also pretty clear they didn't want that data center. It might employ 100 people at best. Probably the average income would be $50K a year in funny Euro money. Is it possible I was wrong? Is it possible they're not all drunk?

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by shuize » Sat May 12, 2018 11:02 pm

One of the guys I knew in Japan who just loved Chavez was Irish. This sounds like his sort of thing.

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Re: Apple scraps $1B Irish data center

Post by sparks » Sat May 12, 2018 11:44 pm

Rob Lister wrote:So the story goes that they had a shortage of judges to hear the cases which is what caused the delays.

Seems very passive aggressive but also pretty clear they didn't want that data center. It might employ 100 people at best. Probably the average income would be $50K a year in funny Euro money. Is it possible I was wrong? Is it possible they're not all drunk?
We already know the answers to those questions. (Ba da bing) but seriously folks... :P
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