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Has he been impeached yet?

Postby ed » Thu May 10, 2018 10:08 am

Was supposed to have happened. Did I miss it?

Any evidence of collusion? Any incitements?

Anything?

How much has this cost to date?

is this mike on?
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu May 10, 2018 2:35 pm

Google "Maxine Waters" :lmao:
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Skeeve » Thu May 10, 2018 2:48 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Google "Maxine Waters" :lmao:


Maxine Waters: Impeachment 'only option' for Trump's Iran deal decision
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that impeaching President Trump is the "only option" for Democrats in the wake of his decision to exit the Iran nuclear deal.

In a tweet, Waters said Trump "thinks he knows better" than negotiators and U.S. allies — France, Germany, and the United Kingdom — which issued a joint statement this week condemning Trump's decision to abandon the agreement.


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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Giz » Thu May 10, 2018 3:06 pm

Skeeve wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Google "Maxine Waters" :lmao:


Maxine Waters: Impeachment 'only option' for Trump's Iran deal decision
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that impeaching President Trump is the "only option" for Democrats in the wake of his decision to exit the Iran nuclear deal.

In a tweet, Waters said Trump "thinks he knows better" than negotiators and U.S. allies — France, Germany, and the United Kingdom — which issued a joint statement this week condemning Trump's decision to abandon the agreement.


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Hmm, I think there's considerable precedent for the US knowing better than France and Germany.

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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Rob Lister » Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

I'm tired of ed's constant call for Trump to be impeached. I recommend that h be banned here for fake news.

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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu May 10, 2018 5:05 pm

Rob Lister wrote:I'm tired of ed's constant call for Trump to be impeached. I recommend that h be banned here for fake news.


:? Trump isn't already banned here for fake news?
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby gnome » Thu May 10, 2018 10:05 pm

I think we've neglected that process.

Motion to pre-emptively ban Donald Trump!

Any seconds?
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby gnome » Thu May 10, 2018 10:11 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... ce63ba6888

Mattis is behaving professionally, aligning with the President's current policy while still speaking to the same goal he's advocated all along: sticking with a diplomatic solution.

Unless WaPo is being FakeNews(tm) today on this, it seems like other high level military agree.

Who exactly in Washington besides Trump actually wanted to quit the deal?
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu May 10, 2018 10:25 pm

gnome wrote:I think we've neglected that process.

Motion to pre-emptively ban Donald Trump!

Any seconds?


The problem is he might already be a member in good standing here.

It's the internet after all. 8)
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu May 10, 2018 10:28 pm

gnome wrote: Who exactly in Washington besides Trump actually wanted to quit the deal?


Maybe the big dick contest isn't against Iran.

Maybe he just can't let Obama have anything.



However, bear in mind the senate never ratified the thing, so strictly speaking there's no "treaty breaking" involved, just a change in policy.
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Grammatron » Thu May 10, 2018 10:47 pm

gnome wrote:Who exactly in Washington besides Trump actually wanted to quit the deal?


Since Trump campaigned on this I would say the voters.
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby xouper » Fri May 11, 2018 2:35 am

gnome wrote:. . . Who exactly in Washington besides Trump actually wanted to quit the deal?


Here are some Democrats who were against the deal from the beginning:

  • Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said in 2015: "I will vote to disapprove the agreement. . . . Iran will not change. And under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power."

  • Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT): "There is much more risk for America and reward for Iran than should be in this agreement."

  • Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ): "The deal doesn't end Iran's nuclear program," he declared. "It preserves it."

  • Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY): "May in fact strengthen Iran's position as a destabilizing and destructive influence across the Middle East."

Also against the deal:

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY)
Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA)

More importantly, the US Senate never voted to make this agreement an official treaty as required by the Constitution.

As reported on wikipedia: "Under U.S. law, the JCPOA is a non-binding political commitment.[279][280] According to the U.S. State Department, it specifically is not an executive agreement or a treaty.[274]"

Let's repeat that: The Iran deal is a non-binding political commitment. Nothing more.

The international signatories to this agreement fully understand that the US could withdraw at any time. They fully understood it was not a treaty, so there can be no legitimate complaint that Trump violated a legally binding agreement.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action

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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Grammatron » Fri May 11, 2018 3:19 am

Trump is the result of all this open duplicity.
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby WildCat » Fri May 11, 2018 4:15 am

xouper wrote:
gnome wrote:. . . Who exactly in Washington besides Trump actually wanted to quit the deal?


Here are some Democrats who were against the deal from the beginning:

  • Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said in 2015: "I will vote to disapprove the agreement. . . . Iran will not change. And under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power."

  • Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT): "There is much more risk for America and reward for Iran than should be in this agreement."

  • Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ): "The deal doesn't end Iran's nuclear program," he declared. "It preserves it."

  • Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY): "May in fact strengthen Iran's position as a destabilizing and destructive influence across the Middle East."

Also against the deal:

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY)
Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA)

More importantly, the US Senate never voted to make this agreement an official treaty as required by the Constitution.

As reported on wikipedia: "Under U.S. law, the JCPOA is a non-binding political commitment.[279][280] According to the U.S. State Department, it specifically is not an executive agreement or a treaty.[274]"

Let's repeat that: The Iran deal is a non-binding political commitment. Nothing more.

The international signatories to this agreement fully understand that the US could withdraw at any time. They fully understood it was not a treaty, so there can be no legitimate complaint that Trump violated a legally binding agreement.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action

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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Doctor X » Fri May 11, 2018 7:23 am

Yes, but that is clearly Trump's fault, Wildcat!

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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri May 11, 2018 8:52 am

I'd say Israel has something to do with it.

Not in some immediate quid pro quo way with Bibi, but because Trump always did like Israel.

The evil Nazi bastard! :)
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby ed » Fri May 11, 2018 10:09 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:I'd say Israel has something to do with it.

Not in some immediate quid pro quo way with Bibi, but because Trump always did like Israel.

The evil Nazi bastard! :)


All this goes to show how duplicitous Trump is.
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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby ed » Fri May 11, 2018 10:49 am

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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby gnome » Fri May 11, 2018 12:41 pm

I'm aware that it was not a ratified treaty. I'm evaluating the wisdom of the decision, not the legality.

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Re: Has he been impeached yet?

Postby ed » Fri May 11, 2018 12:48 pm

It was sorta like legislating from the bench by a judge. Given the lack of popularity of the agreement and the fact that the branch of government charged with making treaty s probably would not have passed it and the fact that most citizens were against it, Obama engaged in overreach to implement it.

Then again, if our betters think that it is in our best interest, who are we to question.

Query: was there anything binding in that agreement or was the impact to return money to Iran, no strings, and then open up Iran for European investment?

In other words, what precisely did we get out of it?
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