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Those wacky sovereign citizens

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:53 pm

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/loca ... 47843.html

A man and a woman who said they were Moorish nationalists claimed sovereign rights to a multimillion-dollar mansion up for sale near Rock Creek Park Wednesday.

No one lives in the house currently, but the couple that owns the home lives nearby, and when the wife received an alert about the alarm going off, she rushed over expecting to find a real estate agent. Instead, she found a man and woman who claimed they owned the land because their ancestors were the original inhabitants.

“This is our ancestral estate,” the man can be heard saying in security video.

“We sent you a letter, reversal of estate, to your office,” the woman said.

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A similar incident took place in 2013, when Lamont Butler moved into a vacant mansion in Bethesda, Maryland. He said his religious beliefs as a member of the Moorish Nation entitled him to the home. The police disagreed.

Moorish American Nationals believe black Americans are descendants of an ancient Moroccan empire. Most members are law-abiding citizens, but a splinter group believes their ancestors were here before the U.S. government so many federal and local laws don’t apply to them.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:09 pm

Black sovereign citizens?

Hooray! They finally integrated. :)
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Re: Those wacky sovereign citizens

Post by WildCat » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:38 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Black sovereign citizens?

Hooray! They finally integrated. :)

That's been a thing for years.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:56 pm

WildCat wrote:That's been a thing for years.


You mean the ancient Egyptians of course? :P
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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:27 pm

http://www.salina.com/news/20171109/man ... appearance

Ni’i’ Ne’e’, 43, who a probable cause affidavit identified as living in Pinon, Ariz., said he entered “moot” when asked for a plea. Thompson entered a not guilty plea for him and set it for jury trial at 9 a.m. Feb. 13, the date he is scheduled to appear on previous charges.

Ni’i’ Ne’e’ has been held in Saline County Jail since July 25, after a Kansas Highway Patrol trooper pulled him over on Interstate Highway 70 near Salina. The trooper had observed that the tag bracket on his pickup truck obscured the registration so that the trooper could not discern that the vehicle was registered in California, according to the probable cause affidavit.

According to the affidavit, Ni’i’ Ne’e’ produced a laminated document that said it was a Lakota International Passport and Driver License when he was asked for his driver’s license. The trooper asked for a valid state driver’s license, and Ni’i’ Ne’e’ said he did not need one because he was a sovereign. While standing near the passenger side door, the trooper detected the odor of marijuana, according to the affidavit.

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In his series of YouTube videos, Ni’i’ Ne’e’ claims to have succeeded in having charges dismissed in Oregon, South Dakota, New York and New Mexico without a being represented by a “public pretender.” He says U.S. courts do not have jurisdiction over indigenous people of Turtle Island.


About that Turtle Island...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Is ... th_America)

The name Turtle Island is used today by many Native tribes, Native rights activists, and environmental activists,[6] especially since the 1970s when the term came into wider usage. In a later essay, published in At Home on the Earth,[7] Gary Snyder claimed this title as a term referring to North America that synthesizes both Indigenous and colonizer cultures by translating the indigenous name into the colonizer's languages (the Spanish "Isla Tortuga" being proposed as a name as well). Snyder argues that understanding North America under the name of Turtle Island will help shift conceptions of the continent.
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Re: Those wacky sovereign citizens

Post by Doctor X » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:50 pm

Ah . . . magical thinking meets reality. I love how these fools want "the System" to work for them when it is convenient.

How ever will he keep his Youtube channel up to date from prison?

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Post by Pyrrho » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:06 am

https://www.courthousenews.com/disgrace ... -sentence/

A federal judge on Wednesday rejected an effort by Jared Fogle, the former face of Subway sandwiches, to overturn his conviction for traveling to engage in sex with a minor, filed on his behalf by a jailhouse lawyer.

Fellow inmate Frank Pate filed a motion for Fogle, claiming the court lacked jurisdiction over Fogle because of his status as a so-called “sovereign citizen.”
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“If Fogle is now claiming to be ‘sovereign,’ the Seventh Circuit has rejected theories of individual sovereignty, immunity from prosecution, and their ilk,” Pratt wrote. “Regardless of his theory, Fogle’s challenge of this court’s jurisdiction is rejected.”
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Post by Doctor X » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:20 am

"Inmates have nothing but time."

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Post by Pyrrho » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:24 pm

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Post by shemp » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:42 pm

These people are out there on the cutting edge of Bat Shit Crazy.
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:26 am

He also had the original 13th Amendment admitted into the case (Titles of Nobility Act). (Certified copy from CO State Gov. Archives). . . . This is in God's hands and I am preparing myself for whatever outcome and so is Bruce.


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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:11 pm

Was is Cool Hand who coined the phrase 'legal magical thinking"?
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Post by Doctor X » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:25 pm

Incidentally, from the Wiki article on the Titles of Nobility Amendment:

In Campion v. Towns, Docket No. CV-04-1516PHX-ROS, (D. Ariz. July 15, 2005) 96 A.F.T.R.2d 5646, 2005 u.s.dist. LEXIS 32650, 2005 WL 2160115, a tax protester raised it in his defenses against a charge of tax evasion. The court replied that it would "correct any misunderstanding Plaintiff has concerning the text of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution":

In his Complaint, Plaintiff includes a certified copy of the Thirteenth Amendment from the Colorado State Archives which was published in 1861. As included in that compilation, the Thirteenth Amendment would strip an individual of United States citizenship if they accept any title of nobility or honor. However, this is not the Thirteenth Amendment. The correct Thirteenth Amendment prohibits slavery. Although some people claim that state publication of the erroneous Thirteenth Amendment makes it valid, Article V of the Constitution does not so provide.


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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:36 pm

https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/972259720886177793



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Post by Doctor X » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:52 pm

While dated, here is a nice overview of the Epic FAIL That is Bruce Doucette.

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Post by ed » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:57 pm

It is really cool how they get shit notarized and certified like that matters a bit.
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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:00 pm

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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/972520937072578561



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Post by Doctor X » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:53 pm

For it is not written on parchment so, therefore, provides no easement.

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Post by ed » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:07 pm

Yes, but it's notarized!!
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