Interesting Supreme Court Case

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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:07 pm

gnome wrote:... the law needs to be clear ...
How about something like his:
  • The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Just a thought.
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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by WildCat » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:12 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
gnome wrote:... the law needs to be clear ...
How about something like his:
  • The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Just a thought.
That's not clear to "living Constitution" proponents. Under that doctrine words only mean whatever is convenient at the time.
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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:17 pm

Even "right wingers" tend to get flaky when it comes to " particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized".
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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by gnome » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:01 pm

The amendment is fine. But you still need specific laws identifying how the Constitution applies to current concerns. Or else it's a hell of a lot of guesswork.
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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by Pyrrho » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:10 am

Popehat has a lawsplainer about the travel ban decision:

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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by WildCat » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:38 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Popehat has a lawsplainer about the travel ban decision:

I guarantee you that not a single one of those dissenting justices will ever conclude that most gun control laws are illegal because the authors of them explicitly stated that the goal was to keep guns from non-white people.
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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:32 pm

gnome wrote:The amendment is fine. But you still need specific laws identifying how the Constitution applies to current concerns. Or else it's a hell of a lot of guesswork.
That, and without a strong exclusionary rule and/or a realistic way to sue police for violating Constitutional rights, scrutinizing the parameters of these rights is pointless.

If there was a need for an amendment, it would be to address how these protections are to be enforced.

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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:37 pm

Hey RCC!

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Re: Interesting Supreme Court Case

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:53 pm

Maybe once I figure out who McGee signs with.