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US Navy Ship collission

Post by Grammatron » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:54 am

How the fuck does this happen?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1972SW
U.S. Navy destroyer, Philippines merchant vessel collide off Japan

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Post by Pyrrho » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:09 am

https://www.wired.com/story/uss-fitzger ... x-crystal/
Barring a mechanical error—in these systems or, say, one ship's steering capacity—the collision likely resulted from a mistake, or a series of mistakes. "It's usually human error," Dyer says. Ships follow international "rules of the road" when they're in the same area, which specify how what actions to take in myriad situations, but there's no air traffic controller-equivalent giving instructions to keep everyone separated.
Most likely, the crews on one or both ships just did the wrong thing or miscalculated. "People don't always remember exactly what they're supposed to do," Dyer says. Because these big ships are hardly nimble, mistakes can prove hard to correct. "Maneuvering vessels of this size is not easy, and they don't respond quickly if someone makes a mistake."
It's not so different from walking toward someone on the sidewalk where you both move left, then both move right—just in very slow motion, and with a louder crunch when you bump together.
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Post by shemp » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:10 am

Like two ships not passing in the night.
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Post by sparks » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:29 am

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Post by ed » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:38 am

He was driving the american ship.
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Post by sparks » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:41 am

Told you he'd know.
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Post by WildCat » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:41 am

I bet a woman was driving at the time. Probably putting on makeup while texting her girlfriends.
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Post by Doctor X » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:07 am

It is incredibly insensitive to blame a woman for an accident when an Asian driver was involved. . . .

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Re: US Navy Ship collission

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:17 am

This could have gone in the Ship of Fail thread too.

Somebody must have fucked up somehow. I'm sure it will all come out.

The ship it collided with was a container ship, 4 times larger than the destroyer.

7 missing. That doesn't bode well if they haven't been found yet. It's 16:16 over here. Just a couple more hours of daylight.
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Post by Rob Lister » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:44 am

Back in '79 I was on the USS Midway when it collided with the merchant ship Cactus, a Panamanian flagged oil tanker. One killed, crushed between the hull of the ship and the forward LOX tank. An entire squadron of F4s, all hanging tail-over-water, were destroyed. The Cactus was sunk. Skipper was not fired, but I get that, given the circumstances of the collision. We were in radio silence and darken ship. We had to pull into Subic Bay for three wonderful weeks of repair.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:02 am

Rob Lister wrote:Back in '79 I was on the USS Midway when it collided with the merchant ship Cactus, a Panamanian flagged oil tanker. One killed, crushed between the hull of the ship and the forward LOX tank. An entire squadron of F4s, all hanging tail-over-water, were destroyed. The Cactus was sunk. Skipper was not fired, but I get that, given the circumstances of the collision. We were in radio silence and darken ship. We had to pull into Subic Bay for three wonderful weeks of repair.
You mean the skipper of the Midway or the other ship?

You'd think that with radio silence and darken ship they'd be extra careful to watch out for other vessels.
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Post by Rob Lister » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:05 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:Back in '79 I was on the USS Midway when it collided with the merchant ship Cactus, a Panamanian flagged oil tanker. One killed, crushed between the hull of the ship and the forward LOX tank. An entire squadron of F4s, all hanging tail-over-water, were destroyed. The Cactus was sunk. Skipper was not fired, but I get that, given the circumstances of the collision. We were in radio silence and darken ship. We had to pull into Subic Bay for three wonderful weeks of repair.
You mean the skipper of the Midway or the other ship?

You'd think that with radio silence and darken ship they'd be extra careful to watch out for other vessels.
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Post by Grammatron » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:35 am

Rob Lister wrote:Back in '79 I was on the USS Midway when it collided with the merchant ship Cactus, a Panamanian flagged oil tanker. One killed, crushed between the hull of the ship and the forward LOX tank. An entire squadron of F4s, all hanging tail-over-water, were destroyed. The Cactus was sunk. Skipper was not fired, but I get that, given the circumstances of the collision. We were in radio silence and darken ship. We had to pull into Subic Bay for three wonderful weeks of repair.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:40 am

No planes on deck there.

They do chain them down of course, but still. When you have a full air wing on board, rarely are they all chained down at the same time. The hangar deck would also be full of them.
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Post by Grammatron » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:42 am

Very sad news.
The bodies of seven U.S. sailors missing after a Navy destroyer collided with a container ship off Japan were found in flooded berthing compartments, the U.S. 7th Fleet and a defense official said Saturday.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:48 am

That is sad, but I had already assumed they were dead. At least they found the bodies.
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Post by Doctor X » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:50 am

Yeah, cannot really "thank" that.

Real sad.

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Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:06 am

USS Fitzgerald: Sailors killed in collision off Japan's coast named
According to maritime rules, vessels are supposed to give way to ships on their starboard side which is where the damage to the destroyer is - sparking questions over whether the US ship could have been at fault.
It is strange, but at the same time, it seems the other ship was making some seriously bizarre maneuvers that don't really make any sense:

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Just speculating, but maybe after they saw it pass going one way, they didn't expect it to make a U-turn to come back at them. Maybe by the time they realized the boat that had been headed away from them was now headed straight for them, it was too late to get out of the way.
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Post by Rob Lister » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:44 am

It sure as fuck looks intentional. Road rage?

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Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:55 am

I don't think we know enough to say that. Someone asleep at the wheel seems equally likely. But it doesn't make much sense to double back like that.
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