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Postby Cloverlief » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:23 pm

I have been discussing some issues on a group I belong to about Trans and Feminism issues. I am of the firm belief that Trans people, like women, deserve to be treated in a decent manner. I fully support Trans rights, and I fully support women's rights. I don't consider myself a radical in the least. I do think that Trans people face different issues from women. I have been told that due to my feeling that Trans issues are not women's issues that I am a trans exclusive radical feminist. I disagree. Hell I have been told by a trans woman who has never had a period how to deal with my period. A subject that a trans woman will never understand because no matter what, that is a sex based issue that a trans woman doesn't deal with. To tell me that I need to contain my period better (yeah, you deal with blood gushing out of your nether regions and see how you handle the occasional leak! and that I am disgusting for having a leak) when that person has never dealt with a period or cramps or the other crap that goes a long with it.

Anyway, I find it interesting that the people who said this to me, also denied that there are issues women face in society. They called me a bigotted cis-gendered woman, but got all het up when I called them misogynists.

Honestly, in my opinion, I think the terms like trans should go away. Not because I don't fully support LGBTQ people, but because I do. I am tired of people being pigeon holed into a gender. "You have an XY chromosome, and you are male, and you must behave, dress like this! or you are weird!" or "Or you are a boy who likes to wear heals? OMG, we should stone you!" These are unacceptable attitudes. I think it leads to hating one's own sex. I have read people claim their 2 year olds and 4 year olds are transgender. Specifically little girls who dress and play with traditional boys cloths and toys. One women told her 4 year old that not all boys have penis's because her 4 year old is female who dresses and behaves in traditional male roles. Why not just accept that child as she is, and encourage her to be who she is without denying her sex?

Gender is a social construct, and as such it can be damaging. I just want to see people be accepted as people and not be abused because they do something that harms nobody, but is not seen societally acceptable.
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Re: TERF

Postby sparks » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:53 pm

" I just want to see people be accepted as people and not be abused because they do something that harms nobody, but is not seen societally acceptable."

Well said Chani.

Unfortunately there are a lot of narrow minded individuals wandering the planet. And while one hopes they can be persuaded, educated, etc. one must admit that it's not bloody likely, which leaves us with tolerating them. Not much fun.
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Re: TERF

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:12 am

Well, based on what you said, you are clearly not a TERF. A trans woman will never need an abortion (although a trans man conceivably might). There may be some women's issues that are also issues for some trans people, but many are different.

Anyway, my advice is don't sweat what those people say.
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Re: TERF

Postby WildCat » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:43 am

Just wait until trans women dominate women's sports.
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Re: TERF

Postby Rob Lister » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:34 am

WildCat wrote:Just wait until trans women dominate women's sports.


The wait is over
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35441#p862629

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Re: TERF

Postby Cloverlief » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:56 am

WildCat wrote:Just wait until trans women dominate women's sports.


Sigh.
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Re: TERF

Postby Doctor X » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:02 am

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Re: TERF

Postby Bruce » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:56 am

And then there are those freaks who go around wearing women's shoes. They've never done anything to benefit society.

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Re: TERF

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:29 am

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--J.D.


Oh yeah?

What if frightening the horses is part of The AgendaTM?

What then smart guy?
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Re: TERF

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:46 am

OK, who is that? (Not Einstein, the other one)
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Re: TERF

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:23 pm

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Re: TERF

Postby corplinx » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:44 pm

Then can we stop identifying social genders instead of beating the drum that it is a social construct?

65 genders and counting! Why are we identifying them and counting? If it's a social construct, shouldn't we stop caring?

I am all for "be nice to people" as a general rule of human decency.

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Re: TERF

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:53 pm

As I noted in another thread the "65" (or whatever) genders (even taking the new definition of "gender" at face value) is a list that contains synonyms in order to cater to differing subcultures.

Getting back to the OP, this is an entirely different question from whether trans-women qualify for membership in radical feminist outfits.

Note the this is about radical feminists, not mere believers in equality.

Not being a radical feminist, I'm inclined to let them duke it out among themselves, but there's no a priori reason to exclude them.
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Re: TERF

Postby Doctor X » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:52 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:OK, who is that? (Not Einstein, the other one)

The Japanese Original Eliza Doolittle.
Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!


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Re: TERF

Postby ed » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:11 pm

corplinx wrote:Then can we stop identifying social genders instead of beating the drum that it is a social construct?

65 genders and counting! Why are we identifying them and counting? If it's a social construct, shouldn't we stop caring?

I am all for "be nice to people" as a general rule of human decency.


If they find your sorry dead carcasse on the street and they take you to the morgue and look at your private bits that is your gender. If there is an anomoly there, they will say so.

All the rest is posturing and redefining the concept of self, which is cool. Maybe it is saying that each person is different ie an individual and the unwashed don't have the words to express it so they talk gender cuz thats what is trendy.

Maybe this is really the same as mods in the 60's.
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Re: TERF

Postby WildCat » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:11 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
WildCat wrote:Just wait until trans women dominate women's sports.


The wait is over
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35441#p862629

Still rare though. As transgender activists become more successful in making it socially acceptable, even normal, such incidences will become more common. And then the clash with feminists will be inevitable, because in many sports women simply won't be able to compete at the highest levels.
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Re: TERF

Postby Doctor X » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:20 pm

Then "they" will try to take positions in the NFL, MLB, and full-contact strip-curling.

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Re: TERF

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:42 pm

Some sort of rule allowing discrimination in sports may be legally possible, the same way theatrical productions are allowed to discriminate on the basis of appearance (even though it may correlate with race).

But that is not the issue of whether transwomen may join radical feminist outfits.

For one thing, that is not a legal issue at all. At least I don't think anyone is talking about bringing suit, just moral suasion.
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Re: TERF

Postby ed » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:21 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Some sort of rule allowing discrimination in sports may be legally possible, the same way theatrical productions are allowed to discriminate on the basis of appearance (even though it may correlate with race).

But that is not the issue of whether transwomen may join radical feminist outfits.

For one thing, that is not a legal issue at all. At least I don't think anyone is talking about bringing suit, just moral suasion.


And how, pray tell, would such a rule be worded?
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Re: TERF

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:30 pm

ed wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Some sort of rule allowing discrimination in sports may be legally possible, the same way theatrical productions are allowed to discriminate on the basis of appearance (even though it may correlate with race).

But that is not the issue of whether transwomen may join radical feminist outfits.

For one thing, that is not a legal issue at all. At least I don't think anyone is talking about bringing suit, just moral suasion.


And how, pray tell, would such a rule be worded?


I'll let the lawyers work that out.
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