FakeNews Ongoing

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby gnome » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:39 am

Right, but I'm guessing someone involved argued, "fake but accurate" in that case, hence the meme. Is there similar here?
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Grammatron » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:01 am

gnome wrote:Right, but I'm guessing someone involved argued, "fake but accurate" in that case, hence the meme. Is there similar here?


TIME put the photo on the cover with the claim that she was taken from her mother.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby gnome » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:14 am

Right... that's the original misleading story.

Here's what I'm talking about:

CBS:
*posts misleading story*
"Hey, that's false evidence!"
Response: "Okay, that was fake evidence, but it really happened just the same!"
("Fake but Accurate")

Time:
*posts misleading story*
"Hey, that's misleading!"
Response: Correction of misleading claims.

Unless someone's claiming even now that the child really was separated from her parents despite a false photo, I don't see how it's supposedly "Fake but Accurate"
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Grammatron » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:25 am

I think you are being far too literate with this analogy. In both CBS and TIME you've had journalist who were so biased they were willing to publish articles/run stories without doing their due diligence their credibility be damned. And these weren't some blogs either but leading media and news sources for the country. It's just not easy for me to dismiss events like that.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby corplinx » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:08 pm

Intentionally misleading people with clickbait headlines, misleading photos,and wrong facts is FakeNews.

With most of these "errors", there was really no attempt to verify in the first place since it was painting by numbers to fit a narrative.

FoxNews did this for so long under Obama that the joke was "FauxNews". Suddenly people are being pendantic about fakery.

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby ed » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:19 pm

gnome wrote:Right... that's the original misleading story.

Here's what I'm talking about:

CBS:
*posts misleading story*
"Hey, that's false evidence!"
Response: "Okay, that was fake evidence, but it really happened just the same!"
("Fake but Accurate")

Time:
*posts misleading story*
"Hey, that's misleading!"
Response: Correction of misleading claims.

Unless someone's claiming even now that the child really was separated from her parents despite a false photo, I don't see how it's supposedly "Fake but Accurate"


"accurate" is sorta misleading I think.

The original story was with Dan Rather who reported on a story that was just fake. So easily dismissed that some fat guy in his mom's basement blew his cover. Rather said something to the effect that the story was fake but accurate in that we all know that Bush jr. sucks so anything that reflets that fact is accurate. Accurate in import if not in actual facts.

Now we know that Trump is eating babies so any story (or Tale, as they used to be known) that vilifies Trump and extols the virtues of the illegals is "true".

see what I mean?
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby gnome » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:32 pm

I think Rather argued, and foolishly, that the particular claim about Bush was literally true even though the evidence turned out to be faked. I never took "fake but accurate" to mean anything different or more nebulous than that.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:12 am

That's the origin, but it gets nebulouser and nebulouser. 8)

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:05 pm

Russian Bots Linked To Viral Twitter Attacks On ‘Hateful’ Dems
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It what may be an early onslaught of Kremlin-linked Twitter attacks ahead of the U.S. midterm elections, Russia bots appear to be fueling a wave of criticism against Democrats in part over a lack of “civility” and intimidation in political confrontations, according to bot trackers.

Attacks with the hashtag #WalkAway purport to be from a “grassroots” wave of one-time Democrats who have left the party in part because they say they are so incensed by the hateful and divisive behavior of party members. The message is to “walk away” from ugly confrontations, “intolerance” and hate — and from the Democratic Party.

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If true, I'm guessing a lot of the stupider anti-Republican stuff is also Russian 'bots.

Hey! I play that game too, though not on Twitter.

You know, what with being a regular poster on both Free Republic and Democratic Underground.

No I don't try to get them to see reason, I get banned enough (especially at DU) without that. :BigGrin3:
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Grammatron » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:09 pm

More like a shitpost.
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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby xouper » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:49 am



Fake Obama created using AI video tool - BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUC4m6w1wo

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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Nyarlathotep » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:24 am



I think that's the high tech way.

The low tech way works just as well and is far funnier...in a surreal sort of way


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Re: FakeNews Ongoing

Postby Witness » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:40 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:I think that's the high tech way.

The low tech way works just as well and is far funnier...in a surreal sort of way
"Works as well", true. But it requires work & expertise. Once the automated technology matures, everybody can / will want to produce fake discourse.


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