Venezuela Meltdown

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:42 am

Skeeve wrote:In Venezuela, they were teachers and doctors. To buy food, they became prostitutes.
Who are their customers?
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:07 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Skeeve wrote:In Venezuela, they were teachers and doctors. To buy food, they became prostitutes.
Who are their customers?
From the link: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 08061.html
ARAUCA, COLOMBIA - At a squat, concrete brothel on the muddy banks of the Arauca River, Gabriel Sánchez rattled off the previous jobs of the women who now sell their bodies at his establishment for $25 an hour.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... rylink=cpy
Okay, since the 'concrete brothel' was in Columbia, I am gonna guess.....
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by gnome » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:48 pm

I think what he means is to wonder what kind of customers can afford the services.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:23 pm

gnome wrote:I think what he means is to wonder what kind of customers can afford the services.
Remember now, it said they get $25 per HOUR not per 'service.'

Now, assuming the "average Joe Jose" lasts from five to ten minutes, add 30 seconds for the obligatory coca-cola douche,
that is roughly 4 to 10 "average Jose's" per hour.... so, in terms of (pardon the pun) "bang for the buck,"
you may not need all that much cash....

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by ed » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:59 pm

Hugo would have been so proud.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by WildCat » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:19 pm

But the herpes lasts a lifetime, just ask Lister.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:25 am

Refugees are fleeing the country:

Latin-America’s worst-ever refugee crisis: Venezuelans
THE LONG-RUNNING crisis in Venezuela, which has undergone a catastrophic economic collapse even as its authoritarian regime has consolidated power, has now spread across its borders. The president of neighboring Colombia, Juan Manuel Santos, said this week that his country’s most serious problem could be the mass influx of desperate Venezuelan refugees: More than 600,000 are now in the country, and thousands more are arriving every day. Tens of thousands of Venezuelans have swamped the Brazilian Amazon city of Boa Vista, 140 miles from the border. More than 60,000 have asylum appeals pending in the United States.

This human outflow, which the United Nations says amounts to more than 1.1 million people, is the largest displacement of people in Latin American history. But Venezuela’s refugees are attracting far less attention or international aid than those fleeing Burma or Syria. That needs to change.

The reason for the exodus is simple: Once proud citizens of the richest nation in Latin America, Venezuelans now are starving. A social survey released this week showed that more than 90 percent say they do not have the means to buy sufficient food, and 61 percent say they go to bed hungry. Though it controls the world’s largest oil reserves, the regime founded by Hugo Chávez has wrecked not just oil production but the economy as a whole, leaving stores empty of food and hospitals deprived even of common medicines. Inflation is skyrocketing above the 2017 rate of 2,600 percent, and rampant homicide has made Caracas one of the most dangerous cities in the world.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Witness » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:10 am

Venezuela, where it’s more expensive to go to work than it is to stay home

For many Venezuelans, the choice is between going to work in exchange for a few bolivars a day, or looking for less and less products that are sold at controlled prices to be resold on the black market; taking into account that a bus ticket can be worth a full salary.

In Venezuela, devaluation has made it more expensive to go to work than it is to stay home. Instead of paying for the transportation, clothing, and food they can’t afford, many Venezuelan employees prefer to simply leave their jobs.

The same applies to university students, who see the effort of studying as”uphill” since their income can’t cover the cost of studying.
“Just going outside means a huge expense”

A report by AP shows that many Venezuelans decide to not go to work to in an effort to save money. Quitting, it turns out, allows them to stretch their saving longer towards the end of the month; especially those who earn a minimum wage.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by shuize » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:11 am

Witness wrote:A report by AP shows that many Venezuelans decide to not go to work to in an effort to save money. Quitting, it turns out, allows them to stretch their saving longer towards the end of the month; especially those who earn a minimum wage.
This is what I was getting at earlier. They stretch their savings longer towards the end of the month by not working. Then what?

But they're still alive, so there must be something.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:36 am

shuize wrote:
Witness wrote:A report by AP shows that many Venezuelans decide to not go to work to in an effort to save money. Quitting, it turns out, allows them to stretch their saving longer towards the end of the month; especially those who earn a minimum wage.
This is what I was getting at earlier. They stretch their savings longer towards the end of the month by not working. Then what?

But they're still alive, so there must be something.
Beg, borrow, steal or flee the country as a refugee. Or die. That's another option.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Rob Lister » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:01 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
shuize wrote:
Witness wrote:A report by AP shows that many Venezuelans decide to not go to work to in an effort to save money. Quitting, it turns out, allows them to stretch their saving longer towards the end of the month; especially those who earn a minimum wage.
This is what I was getting at earlier. They stretch their savings longer towards the end of the month by not working. Then what?

But they're still alive, so there must be something.
Beg, borrow, steal or flee the country as a refugee. Or die. That's another option.
And mostly barter with a smidgen of black market currencies, US Dollar primarily but also the Brazilian Real, Colombian Peso, etc. At your job, you might get paid in eggs
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by gnome » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:04 pm

We've seen this pattern before, don't they usually close the borders at this point so that people in can't get out?
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Doctor X » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:38 pm

No, then they would have to feed them.

Let them leave, let some other country feed them, then, if things get settled, they will come back.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by shuize » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:12 am

gnome wrote:We've seen this pattern before, don't they usually close the borders at this point so that people in can't get out?
Sounds like they're keeping the borders open (for now) as an opportunity to shake down those trying to leave and also relying on remittances to stave off total collapse.

So there's one of the missing pieces to the puzzle as to survival: Remittances from relatives who got out.
SPECIAL REPORT-A journey on a caravan of misery

http://news.trust.org/item/20180302155141-478qv
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"Here no one speaks ill of Chavez."
The bolivar has lost a mind-boggling 98 percent against the U.S. dollar in the last year, meaning $100 worth of local currency a year ago is worth just $2 now.
Meanwhile, [Maduro's] government is benefiting from migrant remittances that are helping to prop up Venezuela's economy and keep a lid on unrest in the nation of about 30 million. The government does not release remittance figures. But the Inter-American Dialogue think tank estimated that some $2 billion flowed into Venezuela last year from citizens working abroad.

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Doctor X » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:48 am

It was not Chavez's fault.

It was Bush's Fault.

Just ask Chavez!

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

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The second vid reminded me of Algeria: there too you had shortages of products (e. g. washing powder), and you better listened to the grapevine to be ready when they reappeared. (But there were splendid veggies, lots of fish and no lack of cash.)

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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:06 am

Venezuela oil workers are dying of hunger – a military coup in 2018 seems inevitable
Starving Venezuelan oil workers are growing too weak for heavy labor. They are too fatigued to act quickly which leads to more fatal accidents. Crude oil makes up about 95% of Venezuela’s exports. The country has no other source of foreign income.

Nextbigfuture predicts that the Maduro government will be overthrown in a military coup by the end of 2018. North Korea has terrible but stable conditions. Venezuela conditions continue to worsen at an unsustainable level.

Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty, according to a new university study on the impact of a devastating economic crisis and food shortages.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by gnome » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:18 pm

You would think even the most bull headed of dedicated communists, let alone whatever the fuck Venezuela is right now, would be savvy enough to feed the people who bring the money in. WTF.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:21 pm

gnome wrote:You would think even the most bull headed of dedicated communists, let alone whatever the fuck Venezuela is right now, would be savvy enough to feed the people who bring the money in. WTF.
Not if there really really really is no food left.
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Re: Venezuela Meltdown

Post by Skeeve » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:27 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
gnome wrote:You would think even the most bull headed of dedicated communists, let alone whatever the fuck Venezuela is right now, would be savvy enough to feed the people who bring the money in. WTF.
Not if there really, really, really is no food left.
Don't know if it is that bad....yet.
To combat hunger, Venezuelans in the U.S. ship food to relatives
While video chatting with relatives in Venezuela, Tere Caicedo watched as they opened a package she had sent them stuffed with clothes, shoes and a large bag of oatmeal.
The bag had ripped during transport, spilling oatmeal all over. Caicedo, a Santa Ana resident who cleans houses for a living, told her relatives not to worry. She would send more.
But her uncle carefully picked out the package's contents, flipped the box over and dumped the oatmeal into a bowl.
"No," he told her. "This is food. We can't just throw it away."
That moment in January brought home to Caicedo, the only member of her immediate family in the U.S., the pressing needs of a country spiraling out of control amid skyrocketing food costs, political chaos and shortages of nearly everything.
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Los Angeles is far from the hub of Venezuelan American life in Miami, but expatriates in Southern California began organizing as their home country plunged deeper into disarray.
Their efforts caught the attention of one crisis response organization late last year, the Buena Park-based Giving Children Hope, which has since shipped more than 30,000 pounds of supplies to nonprofits in Florida, which sends them on to Venezuela. Venezuelan actors living in Los Angeles, including the telenovela star Carlos Montilla, have helped mobilize people through social media posts.
Venezuelans in the U.S. tend to be professionals with higher levels of education than other Latino immigrants. Experts say the crisis is forcing the Venezuelan population to become more like the rest of Latin America, where relying on remittances is the norm.
Still, that was published back in October so...who knows.

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