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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:53 pm

Witness wrote:Related (or do we have a specific "electric cars" thread?):


We have several electric car/truck/even train threads, but this will do.

Bloomberg wrote:[b]Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry
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For every 1,000 battery-powered buses on the road, about 500 barrels a day of diesel fuel will be displaced from the market, according to BNEF calculations. This year, the volume of fuel buses take off the market may rise 37 percent to 279,000 barrels a day, about as much oil as Greece consumes, according to BNEF.[/url]


Electric buses seem to make sense. In terms of efficiency, they operate in the worst possible conditions. Stop/go/stop/go/stop/go. The downside is A) having to carry the weight of the batteries (several times heavier than the weight of a diesel engine plus fuel) and B) long recharge times. But for a bus, that's okay as long as 1) it has regenerative braking and 2) the batteries last a full working day.

The Long Tailpipe arguments notwithstanding.

OTOH, I don't think the "oil industry" is much concerned.

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:40 pm

Witness wrote: ...

The Telegraph wrote:Why French chefs want us to eat this bird – head, bones, beak and all



I seem to recall from somewhere or other, that includes the intestines and the content of same.
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Re: Wind Turbines

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You have been reported for off-topic comment.

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:30 pm

The Frenchness of the French is always on topic.
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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:33 pm

This is why you don't have boyfriends.

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:39 pm

Rob Lister wrote:This is why you don't have boyfriends.


I'm pretty sure it's some other reason. :De_Bunk:
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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:41 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:This is why you don't have boyfriends.


I'm pretty sure it's some other reason. :De_Bunk:


And you keep trying to fix the other reason. How's that working out?

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Witness » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:53 am

gnome wrote:Et le cou
Et le cou
Et le nez
Et le nez
Et le bec
Et le bec
Et la tete
Et la tete

je te plumerai
Actually it's about a lark…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Hy_AOemx0

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Witness » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:06 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:I seem to recall from somewhere or other, that includes the intestines and the content of same.

Another bird the Froggies eat nearly whole, the woodcock:

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The entrails are full of worms, which allegedly makes them particularly tasty. Cooked inside the carcass, they afterwards get mixed with cream and foie gras. Recipe: http://gamelleprod.canalblog.com/archives/2008/02/15/7798711.html

Bon appétit! :BlowChunks:

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Re: Wind Turbines

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Witness » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:18 am

↑ Yep, I hesitated between the two, but the goofy Comets won finally. :mrgreen:

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Witness » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:38 pm

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1888: The first known US wind turbine created for electricity production is built by inventor Charles Brush to provide electricity for his mansion in Ohio.

From History of Wind Turbines (up to 2013).

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:59 pm

in 1888 there was much to be learned about efficiency of turbines.

I'll bet it turned very slow. And Betz probably rolled over in his crib.

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby sparks » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:01 pm

Witness wrote:Image
1888: The first known US wind turbine created for electricity production is built by inventor Charles Brush to provide electricity for his mansion in Ohio.

From History of Wind Turbines (up to 2013).


Early failed attempt at radio telescope.
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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Witness » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:32 pm

sparks wrote:Early failed attempt at radio telescope.
Failed? That's what THEY want you to believe! :o

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Witness » Tue May 29, 2018 2:57 am

Rob Lister wrote:[big snip]

OTOH, I don't think the "oil industry" is much concerned.

Electrek wrote:Oil industry is finally starting to be affected by Norway’s rapid electric car adoption

Norway’s electric vehicle adoption rate is so far ahead of most countries that it gives us glimpses into the future of bigger markets – sometimes even decades ahead of time.

Now it is starting to show signs of demand for gasoline and diesel slowing down as electric vehicles are taking over.

In Norway, the market share of electric vehicles has hit over 50% of new cars over the last year, which is higher than in any other county.

That’s the latest record, but it also maintained double-digit market share since the latest rise in popularity of new electric vehicles, like Tesla’s and the Nissan Leaf, over the past 4 years.

But it takes a long time to replace a country-wide fleet of passenger cars, which is why EVs still account for less than 10% of all cars on the roads in Norway.

It’s still a significant part of the fleet and the oil industry should see an impact, but the EV adoption didn’t keep up with the growth of the industry, which led to continued growth over the period – until now.

The Norweigan government released its final 2017 figures for Sales of Petroleum Products and for the first time since at least 2014, Norway’s consumption of gasoline and diesel declined across the board, Forbes report:

“Motor gasoline sales declined by 2.9%, dutiable diesel fell by 2.7%, and duty-free diesel declined by 2.6%. This decline follows sales that were flat in 2014, and then grew by 1% in 2015 and 3.2% in 2016. Overall petroleum product sales declined by 2.2%, although some categories of consumption, such as heavy fuel oil, jet kerosene, and other petroleum products all showed higher consumption.”

In other words, it’s the first time that demand for petroleum products used in cars has fallen since the EV revolution has started to pick up steam in Norway.

Some experts see this as the first sign of the growing EV fleet starting to have an impact on the oil industry.

Norway, itself an important petroleum producer, has been investing heavily into reducing its dependence on its own products.
https://electrek.co/2018/05/28/oil-industry-affected-norway-electric-car-adoption/

Reminds me of Kodak and the rise of digital. They gutted their research labs in the early 80ies (if memory serves well), but it was already too late.
Of course oil has other uses than burning it to commute… :mrgreen:

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Rob Lister » Tue May 29, 2018 10:16 am

Witness wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:[big snip]

OTOH, I don't think the "oil industry" is much concerned.

Electrek wrote:Oil industry is finally starting to be affected by Norway’s rapid electric car adoption


“Motor gasoline sales declined by 2.9%, dutiable diesel fell by 2.7%, and duty-free diesel declined by 2.6%. This decline follows sales that were flat in 2014, and then grew by 1% in 2015 and 3.2% in 2016. Overall petroleum product sales declined by 2.2%, although some categories of consumption, such as heavy fuel oil, jet kerosene, and other petroleum products all showed higher consumption.”

Norway, itself an important petroleum producer, has been investing heavily into reducing its dependence on its own products.
https://electrek.co/2018/05/28/oil-industry-affected-norway-electric-car-adoption/

Reminds me of Kodak and the rise of digital. They gutted their research labs in the early 80ies (if memory serves well), but it was already too late.
Of course oil has other uses than burning it to commute… :mrgreen:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this ain't a Kodak moment. Something else is going on. Looking at the raw data (linked by your link), the biggest decline (-8%) was in marine gas oil and diesel. I've never seen an electric ship bigger than a bass boat.
https://www.ssb.no/en/energi-og-industr ... umsalg/aar

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Their treatment of oil products is certainly odd given that it makes up ~65% of their exports. Still a big meh, but weird.

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 29, 2018 2:07 pm

Nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers are "electric boats" :p

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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby ed » Tue May 29, 2018 2:32 pm

Witness wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:I seem to recall from somewhere or other, that includes the intestines and the content of same.

Another bird the Froggies eat nearly whole, the woodcock:

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The entrails are full of worms, which allegedly makes them particularly tasty. Cooked inside the carcass, they afterwards get mixed with cream and foie gras. Recipe: http://gamelleprod.canalblog.com/archives/2008/02/15/7798711.html

Bon appétit! :BlowChunks:


The final episode of Billions shows three guys eating these critters with napkins o their heads and all.

Fairly disgusting.
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Re: Wind Turbines

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue May 29, 2018 2:36 pm

According to the Larousse Gastronomique the plucked woodcock should be allowed to age a few weeks before cooking.

This is strictly a culinary issue, as otherwise it would taste just like chicken. :lmao:
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