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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:30 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:"Luddites"?

I'm talking about the same sort of people who already high jack trucks and steal cargo.

This is a case of automation making someone's job easier.


I'm not sure it would actually be any easier than highjacking a truck with a human driver. In some ways it might be harder, given countermeasures. With no driver to hold hostage, police can be informed immediately. And the truck and trailer could be "hardened" in various ways. With GPS, they know exactly where the truck and trailer is at all times, so they could tell the police exactly where to go.

The original luddites weren't technophobes, they were angry that they were being put out of a job, and that their skills were being make obsolete, so they would try to destroy machines in the mills that were competing with them.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:35 am

Theodore Kaczynski was a luddite of the the second type; against automation and computerization in general. He thought it would do to us exactly what it indeed did to us.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:35 am

Typically, those who high jack trucks leave the driver unharmed if he doesn't fight, because why risk a felony murder charge when you're in it for the money?

So shit like stopping a speeding truck by shooting out the tires is right out.

But with no driver to worry about ...
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:47 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Typically, those who high jack trucks leave the driver unharmed if he doesn't fight, because why risk a felony murder charge when you're in it for the money?

So shit like stopping a speeding truck by shooting out the tires is right out.

But with no driver to worry about ...


As a similar example, which one is easier to rob, a bank or an ATM machine? I guess the most common method to steal directly from an ATM is a so-called "ram raid" or "crash and grab". You need a large stolen vehicle to do that, so the crime would seem to involve first stealing a pickup truck or SUV. Another way is to mug somebody at an ATM and make them withdraw money, but with most ATMs having like a $200 limit, that has fairly meager results. Basically, if it was too easy, ATMs probably wouldn't exist, because the risk of robbery would make the whole enterprise unprofitable. On the other hand, there are over 4000 bank robberies in the US every year according to the FBI statistics. You don't even need a real gun to do it, sometimes just a hand in the pocket pretending to have a gun does the trick.

So I'm sure it will happen, it's just a question of how often, and how risky is it for the would-be criminals.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:08 am

I see self driving trucks as being no more armored than regular trucks.

Sure they could be built like tanks (including even AI controlled weaponry if you like), but that nullifies the cost savings in terms of increased fuel + tearing up the roads.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:27 am

Anaxagoras wrote:Another way is to mug somebody at an ATM and make them withdraw money, but with most ATMs having like a $200 limit, that has fairly meager results....
$700 at my bank, Up to $2000 at some. That's a respectable mugging.

Abdul Alhazred wrote:I see self driving trucks as being no more armored than regular trucks.
Sure they could be built like tanks (including even AI controlled weaponry if you like), but that nullifies the cost savings in terms of increased fuel + tearing up the roads.
Draw me a picture of how you think a robbery might take place here 'cause the way I see it, it would look the same as robbing a human-driven truck except they can't steal the truck itself and nobody has the keys to the rear cargo doors. So once they bust that lock, what then? They can't steal the truck itself. Did they bring another semi to steal the cargo? Oh, and the whole thing is being recorded six ways to Sunday and the cops are already on the way, btw.

Sure, it will happen, but less frequently.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:40 pm

They steal the cargo with another (smaller) truck, not necessarily the whole cargo of course. As sometimes done now, because police aren't looking for the other truck.

You do know that professionals do not hit vulnerable looking trucks at random (as it might be street muggings)?

They know their cargo ahead of time and already have a buyer lined up.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:45 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:They steal the cargo with another (smaller) truck, not necessarily the whole cargo of course. As sometimes done now, because police aren't looking for the other


You're just being Clausian here.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:40 pm

Not at all.

This is already a common MO.

Just accept I know more about truck high jacking than you. :p
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Postby Rob Lister » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:51 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Not at all.

This is already a common MO.

Just accept I know more about truck high jacking than you. :p


You still haven't explained why this will be more common with self-driving cars.

I've shown why it will probably be less common.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Grammatron » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:56 pm

Truck hijackings have not really been a thing since the 70's and a bit into 80's.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:20 pm

Grammatron wrote:Truck hijackings have not really been a thing since the 70's and a bit into 80's.


Much less than the good old days, sure.

But automation will revive the "industry". :BigGrin3:
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Grammatron » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:29 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Grammatron wrote:Truck hijackings have not really been a thing since the 70's and a bit into 80's.


Much less than the good old days, sure.

But automation will revive the "industry". :BigGrin3:


My understanding of the "industry" is that it existed before GPS and fully fleshed out interstate highway system. Also most of the "industry" were bike gangs. I just can't see how it can continue or be revived.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:41 pm

Hold on, I just thought of something.

All bets are off everything I said about automated trucks if they have armed guards.

You could even get the Teamsters on board by having a retraining program.

Problem solved. :) :) :) :) :)
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby sparks » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:37 pm

The Teamsters?
The idea is to cut costs. Simper, cheaper: Truck gets hijacked, it auto-destructs taking out everything in, say, a 10 block radius. Now that, is the problem solved.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:44 pm

At least the lawyer will get rich :lmao:
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby sparks » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:47 pm

Why not? They're the only ones getting rich right now anyway. :) (Well, and not being indicted for it later)
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Witness » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:15 am

No accident, but things to come:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaAUHpeFj1c

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby sparks » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:48 pm

Humans are such a batch of fucking foolz.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:36 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I

35-second video but you can skip the first 25 seconds.
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