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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:33 pm

Grammatron wrote: I don't see how it compares at all.


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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Grammatron » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:36 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Grammatron wrote: I don't see how it compares at all.


Getting to work without having to drive.


You will have to drive and be competent at it, so it doesn't compare in those terms.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:50 pm

Grammatron wrote:You will have to drive and be competent at it, so it doesn't compare in those terms.


So really more like an especially slick cruise control?
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Grammatron » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:00 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Grammatron wrote:You will have to drive and be competent at it, so it doesn't compare in those terms.


So really more like an especially slick cruise control?


At the moment, yes. Though some are better than others.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:21 am

Grammatron wrote:I have "driven" such a car from San Diego to Los Angeles.

As a daily commuter in populated area it's significantly less stressful to drive on highways. With all the radars I barely had to pay any attention to the road as the car kept itself in the proper lane and stopped to avoid collisions. The issues prop up when the lanes are not clear and in residential areas. The car gets confused and can exhibit unsettling maneuvers where it would just jump into another lane or swerve to avoid some perceived but non-existing obstacle.

In short, as an added safety measure it's unparalleled, as an autonomous system it's nowhere near ready.


So, once I assume? A Google car (now Waymo)? No rain?

I have wondered what rain would do to LIDAR. If it sometimes "sees" obstacles that aren't there, rain might make that worse. :notsure:
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Grammatron » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:18 am

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Grammatron wrote:I have "driven" such a car from San Diego to Los Angeles.

As a daily commuter in populated area it's significantly less stressful to drive on highways. With all the radars I barely had to pay any attention to the road as the car kept itself in the proper lane and stopped to avoid collisions. The issues prop up when the lanes are not clear and in residential areas. The car gets confused and can exhibit unsettling maneuvers where it would just jump into another lane or swerve to avoid some perceived but non-existing obstacle.

In short, as an added safety measure it's unparalleled, as an autonomous system it's nowhere near ready.


So, once I assume? A Google car (now Waymo)? No rain?

I have wondered what rain would do to LIDAR. If it sometimes "sees" obstacles that aren't there, rain might make that worse. :notsure:


Once as a driver. It was a Honda Sensinsg system, I am not if it uses any Waymo tech or it's Honda home brew. No rain and during the day.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:20 pm

Robotaxi permit gets Arizona’s OK; Waymo will start service in 2018
The state has granted Waymo a Transportation Network Company permit.

On Friday, we discovered that Waymo, the self-driving Google spinoff, has been granted a permit to operate as a Transportation Network Company in the state of Arizona. This means that it can launch an official ride-hailing service and start charging customers for their journeys. It also confirms the findings of a recent report that put Waymo at the front of the autonomous vehicle pack, meaning my colleague Tim Lee was right when he said the launch of a commercial operation by Waymo in Arizona was imminent.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/02/ro ... e-in-2018/

If gnome is right the riots may start any day now.

Not that there are enough taxi drivers in Arizona to fill a thimble anyway.

The comments are interesting. I would personally like something like a Johnny Cab--a fake "driver" would make me feel more comfortable. :) Plus, we could chat.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:04 pm

I don't expect riots, but I will note that for some reason the new tech is a fire hazard.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Rob Lister » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:22 pm

Uber is paving the way

Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

Uber’s autonomous trucks are now doing actual work for customers via Uber Freight, Uber’s commercial cargo shipping on-demand app. The first runs are being done in Arizona, with regular hauls operating with both human drivers and autonomous trucks working in tandem.

How it works is that Uber will load up the freight on a conventional, human driven truck who collects the load from the shipper and then does a short haul run to a transfer hub. The short haul truck then loads its cargo onto a long-haul freight transport, which is autonomous for the purposes of these trips. That self-driving test truck handles the highway driving for the longer portion of the trip, handing it off once again to a human-driven trip for the short haul cap to the overall journey.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/06/uber- ... customers/

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My most liberal back of the snot-rag calculation is that this process cuts the cost of the long haul portion of the trip in half. But more conservatively, probably only by one-forth.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:28 pm

Arizona.

Let 'em try in in Chicago.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:01 pm

I assume that the "self-driving truck" still has a human being on board just in case, right?
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Postby Rob Lister » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:04 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:I assume that the "self-driving truck" still has a human being on board just in case, right?


For now. Give it a decade.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:18 pm

That's the other thing. Without a driver, would autonomous trucks be targeted by robbers or vandals? The human factor is a potential issue, at least until there's a culture change where everyone is accustomed to it and OK with it.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:45 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:That's the other thing. Without a driver, would autonomous trucks be targeted by robbers or vandals?


Of course they would.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:That's the other thing. Without a driver, would autonomous trucks be targeted by robbers or vandals?


Of course they would.


I don't think that will be a problem. A driverless vehicle will be in constant contact with a control center and has about a gazillion cameras. They may not even have steering wheels in the near future. Tough to steal that though I'm sure some will try.

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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:15 pm

Not steal the truck, steal the merchandise.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:18 pm

Yeah, I figured that there could be anti-theft countermeasures, but if all they really want to do is damage the vehicle or cause trouble, that's a little harder to prevent.

Hopefully the problem will be a minor nuisance, but there's always a few Luddites when you have a new disruptive technology that replaces workers. And some people just like to vandalize things not for profit but just for fun because they are assholes.
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Re: Google Self-Driving Car Accident Reports

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:37 pm

"Luddites"?

I'm talking about the same sort of people who already high jack trucks and steal cargo.

This is a case of automation making someone's job easier.
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