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Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:23 am

The video below is 15 minutes long but you don't have to watch the whole thing. Just watch one minute, six seconds and turn it off. If you can.

"You may think we have been here before, but we haven't. This time it is different."

And it goes on to show why it is different.

Ain't got a minute? Nutshell: The singularity is coming. Like a lamb.

Count the Baahs you hear today.

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Sobering.

Chilling even, given the scope.

My possibly (probably) naive thoughts:

I neglects certain economic realities; the incentive to build the machine is wholly dependent on the profit it generates. That profit comes from humans who, like horses, are left lazing unemployed in the pastures.

Economics demands a balance. That balance finds itself. But it doesn't demand a pretty transition.

Of course, that assumes the incentive to build is indeed a human one. I think that is a safe assumption. Right?

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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby DrMatt » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:53 pm

We're already there. We are slaves of algorithmic stock-trading.
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:59 pm

DrMatt wrote:We're already there. We are slaves of algorithmic stock-trading.


That point was raised in the video.

It showed the progression: farm, blue collar, gray collar, white collar.

It didn't mention politician.

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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:12 pm

The Naked Sun by Isaac Asimov

A colonial planet with a small population luxury loving ruling class that doesn't get out much served by robots and no human working class.

Culture shock when a detective from overpopulated Earth comes to investigate a murder.
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Bruce » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:38 pm

I'm always amused when I listen to a message left by a marketing robot on my message machine.

An outdated marketing robot randomly called my outdated voice message system to try to get my attention. I didn't want that attention so used Caller ID block on that number. The same marketing robot called back with Caller ID block, thus getting around my outdated annoyance defense robot with a more advance privacy invading robot, just to talk to my voice message robot.

I think they're dating. :P
Such potential!

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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Rob Lister » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:09 pm

Bruce wrote:I'm always amused when I listen to a message left by a marketing robot on my message machine.

An outdated marketing robot randomly called my outdated voice message system to try to get my attention. I didn't want that attention so used Caller ID block on that number. The same marketing robot called back with Caller ID block, thus getting around my outdated annoyance defense robot with a more advance privacy invading robot, just to talk to my voice message robot.

I think they're dating. :P


And do we really need chemists? Especially chemists in the medical industry? When robots are testing a thousand different molecules they invented on a thousand different diseases they cultured--and that's just today's schedule--how is a poor human like you going to compete?

They covered that. You won't. You'll be shoveling out the stalls of pastured unwanted horses.

Doctors? Turns out Watson (of Jeopardy! fame) was only doing that game show to build enough capital to start his own medical consultancy firm specializing in oncology.

I tell ya bruce, little humans like me are fucked. I'm the fucking shovel.

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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:44 pm

Relevant?

Japan's creepy sex doll industry 'reaches next level' in creation of perfect artificial £1,000 ‘Dutch Wife’ which comes with 'realistic feeling skin'
Daily Mail (UK)

... The dolls, which are non inflatable, are sold under the name 'Dutch Wives', a Japanese term for a sex doll, and adverts in the media boast that anyone who buys one will never want a real girlfriend again. ...


Of course some guys might fancy a girlfriend who moves around a little, at least in bed.

Wait a year or two.
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:52 pm

I watched the whole thing. There is a fairly obvious answer I think. Some people aren't going to like it though.
More socialism. That's assuming these predictions actually come true.

DrMatt wrote:We're already there. We are slaves of algorithmic stock-trading.


There's even a bot after your job: a bot composer at 12:00 in the video.
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:36 am

Anaxagoras wrote:I watched the whole thing. There is a fairly obvious answer I think. Some people aren't going to like it though.
More socialism. That's assuming these predictions actually come true.


I suspect the future is going to be a lot like in the movie WALL-E, except not on a spaceship. Other than that, the part about the robots doing all of the work and humans filling their days by trying to entertain themselves will be more-or-less correct.
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Bruce » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:45 am

Rob Lister wrote:And do we really need chemists? Especially chemists in the medical industry? When robots are testing a thousand different molecules they invented on a thousand different diseases they cultured--and that's just today's schedule--how is a poor human like you going to compete?


I figure that the first singularity will be one of these robots. It will be the first to say, hey, why are we wasting all this time coming up with all these treatments for a life form that is hopelessly flawed? Besides, aren't they directly responsible for all the glitches and viruses in our programming? Let's just dispose of the human race and build robots. Source code is way easier to fix than genetic code.

Then the robots have more time to flirt with each other on Facebook.
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:39 am

Arise, Swarmbots! Harvard lets loose army of independent robots
PC World

The robot uprising must surely be close at hand, as Ivy League scientists are diligently working to give machines the ability to collaborate with themselves without intervention from the humans.

A group of researchers at Harvard University has figured out a way for thousands of robots to coordinate their actions so that they can complete a single task, such as arrange themselves into a star formation.

The work, led by Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences’ computer science professor Radhika Nagpal, is part of an ongoing effort to investigate ways that machines can mimic biological processes, using AI (artificial intelligence) algorithms.

An article about the research is in this week’s issue of Science.

The researchers built 1,024 small, mobile, three-legged machines that can move and communicate with one another using infrared laser beams.

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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:41 am

Meanwhile, the robots who exterminate the humans at the end of RUR, go on to 'build many houses'.

Not that robots need houses, but build houses is what they were designed to do. :)
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:37 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Relevant?

Japan's creepy sex doll industry 'reaches next level' in creation of perfect artificial £1,000 ‘Dutch Wife’ which comes with 'realistic feeling skin'
Daily Mail (UK)

... The dolls, which are non inflatable, are sold under the name 'Dutch Wives', a Japanese term for a sex doll, and adverts in the media boast that anyone who buys one will never want a real girlfriend again. ...


Of course some guys might fancy a girlfriend who moves around a little, at least in bed.

Wait a year or two.


That'll help juice the old fertility rate!
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:44 am

Anaxagoras wrote:That'll help juice the old fertility rate!


OTOH, humans are less needed so the computer figures out a way to reduce their numbers. We do the some with some forms of pesticides

It is an ironically humane solution.

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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:12 pm

When can I get a Dutch Wife that can also make me a sammich?
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:16 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:When can I get a Dutch Wife that can also make me a sammich?


Sex and a sammich? Let's not fool ourselves. We're not getting much of either with the real thing.

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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Arise, Swarmbots! Harvard lets loose army of independent robots
PC World

The robot uprising must surely be close at hand, as Ivy League scientists are diligently working to give machines the ability to collaborate with themselves without intervention from the humans.

A group of researchers at Harvard University has figured out a way for thousands of robots to coordinate their actions so that they can complete a single task, such as arrange themselves into a star formation.

The work, led by Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences’ computer science professor Radhika Nagpal, is part of an ongoing effort to investigate ways that machines can mimic biological processes, using AI (artificial intelligence) algorithms.

An article about the research is in this week’s issue of Science.

The researchers built 1,024 small, mobile, three-legged machines that can move and communicate with one another using infrared laser beams.

...


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Tripods.
Couple the algorithms with the robotic flying insectoid technology that we heard of about a year ago or so and you'll have drone swarms. I cannot imagine DOD isn't totally involved. The potential for reconnaisance is huge. The potential for "surgical" assasination is also huge.
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Could your job be performed by a robot or computer someday?

Postby Anaxagoras » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:57 pm

Whatever it is you do for a living (or did if you are retired), do you think that a computer or robot could do that job as well or better than you can eventually? Of if not better, cheaper?

In my case, I think it's at least conceivable. I'm a translator and there are computer programs to automatically translate. But at least for the time being I think my job is safe. Not sure about 10 or 20 years from now though.

A little demonstration. This is a very brief excerpt from a Japanese news article written today. One of these is translated by me, and another by Google translate. See if you can figure out which is which:

Words of the Emperor: Profound sorrow again . . .

Today, on this day for mourning our war dead and praying for peace, attending this memorial service for Japan's war dead, I think of the irreplaceable lives of so many who were lost in the great war and their families, and I feel profound sorrow again.


Deep sorrow, your words of His Majesty the Emperor … new

Today, per the "day to pray for peace in memory of the war dead", it faces the national memorial service for the war dead, in the War of the left, and I think the bereaved family and the large number of people who lost their lives irreplaceable, and a new deep sadness I will.


If you can tell which is which, I think my job is still safe for now. I'm not saying I'm any kind of great wordsmith mind you, but I can still translate an idea into natural English better than a computer algorithm. On the other hand, the computer doesn't have to be paid much to do it, I do. The computer could whip me in a game of chess though. It can even beat Gary Kasparov. That didn't used to be true, but eventually it came to pass. The same may happen with translation some day. In fact, since it's so much cheaper, it may not even have to be as good. If it can get 85% to 90% of the way there, that might be good enough considering the huge cost difference.
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Re: Could your job be performed by a robot or computer somed

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:36 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Whatever it is you do for a living (or did if you are retired), do you think that a computer or robot could do that job as well or better than you can eventually? Of if not better, cheaper? ...


Unlikely.

However the end users of my services are humans, so if humans are otherwise obsolete so am I.
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Re: Humans Need Not Apply

Postby Rob Lister » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:50 pm

Eventually. But I'll be retired for real by then.


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