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Post by Witness » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:56 am

Bloomberg wrote:Coffee Waste Is Now Fetching a 480% Premium Over Coffee Itself

Prices for dried husks are outstripping those for beans.
Details: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... fee-itself

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Re: Coffee

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:51 am

That's . . . interesting.

I am reminded of how whole grain bread or whole grain rice became more in demand than white bread or white rice (sometimes). That part which they used to throw away, is now considered valuable again.

I bet you in the olden days people would have thought you were mad to pay more for a loaf of whole wheat bread than a loaf of white bread. But in Japan at least, that's how it is. At the supermarket where I shop, whole wheat bread costs more than white. I think white bread is still more popular with Japanese though. Most of the sliced bread on the shelf is white, with several competing brands, while there is only a small area for whole wheat or other kinds of bread, and it costs more. So it could just be economies of scale and competition.
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Re: Coffee

Post by shemp » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:58 am

Some people will drink any fucking shit if it's trendy.
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Re: Coffee

Post by Rob Lister » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:22 pm

I'm some people. I thought cascara was a laxative but wiki tells me cascara bark is a different plant. Cascara tea is apparently a thing in Other America. I see on Amazon I can buy 12 oz for $20. Nope. But if see some in a trendy gas station convenience store, I'll try it.

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Re: Coffee

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:29 am

Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science! :D

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... ct/2686145
Question Moderate coffee consumption has been inversely associated with mortality; however, does heavy intake, particularly among those with common genetic polymorphisms that impair caffeine metabolism, increase risk of mortality?

Findings This large prospective cohort study of a half million people found inverse associations for coffee drinking with mortality, including among participants drinking 1 up to 8 or more cups per day. No differences were observed in analyses that were stratified by genetic polymorphisms affecting caffeine metabolism.

Meaning This study provides further evidence that coffee drinking can be part of a healthy diet and offers reassurance to coffee drinkers.
(hopefully I'm not going to find out that this study was paid for by coffee companies. :notsure:
Didn't California recently require warning labels for coffee?)
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Re: Coffee

Post by shemp » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:33 am

You're mistaken. The study was about covfefe.
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Re: Coffee

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:44 am

Doh!!
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Re: Coffee

Post by xouper » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:12 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science! :D
Correlation does not tell you whether one causes the other.

It could be that whatever causes people to die younger also causes them to avoid coffee, or that whatever causes people to live longer also causes them to drink coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

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Re: Coffee

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:44 pm

xouper wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science! :D
Correlation does not tell you whether one causes the other.

It could be that whatever causes people to die younger also causes them to avoid coffee, or that whatever causes people to live longer also causes them to drink coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation
You are correct. I figured everyone here knew that already. That's also why the study authors worded their findings more carefully than I did.

That said, what do you think. It's certainly possible that it's actually the coffee, isn't it?
And I can't think of what that "whatever" might be that causes people to both avoid coffee and die younger, or to both drink coffee and live longer. Can you?

So, Occam's razor suggests there's a good chance that it really is just that simple.
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Re: Coffee

Post by xouper » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:50 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
xouper wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:Coffee health news: Coffee is good for you according to science! :D
Correlation does not tell you whether one causes the other.

It could be that whatever causes people to die younger also causes them to avoid coffee, or that whatever causes people to live longer also causes them to drink coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation
You are correct. I figured everyone here knew that already.
Oops. Sorry, I forgot to include the disclaimer that I too think everyone here already knew that. I was just being cautious in case someone had momentarily forgot.

Anaxagoras wrote:That said, what do you think. It's certainly possible that it's actually the coffee, isn't it?
And I can't think of what that "whatever" might be that causes people to both avoid coffee and die younger, or to both drink coffee and live longer. Can you?

So, Occam's razor suggests there's a good chance that it really is just that simple.
That's a reasonable question to ask.

I try to be careful when invoking Occam's Razor based on my inability (especially on short notice) to think of plausible alternatives.

Another link that I assume everyone here already knows:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Nonetheless, I am not ruling out that coffee is the cause. I am merely pointing out that the studies cited provide no actual evidence for that causation.

In any case, even if evidence is found, that does not mean any given person will benefit from coffee in that way.

Another link that I assume everyone here already knows:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

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Re: Coffee

Post by Doctor X » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:14 pm

It is Settled Science that coffee is necessary.

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